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WandaVision Episodes 1-2 SPOILER Review: Let’s Get Weird | ITE E12 

 January 18, 2021

By  Is This Entertainment

Wandavision EP1-2 are weird, but we are more weirder. This episode was a lot of fun. So be careful with your beverage, don't do any spit takes.

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Transcript

Now I wonder if vision in the same way that Ultron could hide his consciousness in the internet and just copy himself in the internet somewhere and then transfer that consciousness to some other body as he does throughout age of Ultron.

I wonder if vision has that same kind of.

That would be an interesting way to get vision back without having to break any of the continuity that we know of or time travel Yeah, here we go. Welcome to the ITE podcast.

This

Is it where we discuss the Wanda vision in detail? Yeah. Assuming we remember,

Watched it two days ago. A lot has happened since then in life. So I don't know.

You're blanking out too. I would have watched it again. I figured you

had this one.

No, know enough about it to talk about it, but I didn't go researching into the hours of the night or anything like that. That's okay. Yeah.

What did you think overall then of Wandavision?

Oh I really enjoyed it. I thought, I think this is a pretty big swing.

For Marvel, this is their very first Disney plus show. And they're going to have just like the weirdest show, like in all honesty, they probably should have started with Falcon, and winter soldier. They should've started with that one because that's probably going to be a little bit more just like.

Superhero streamlined, yeah, exactly where this is going to be trippy and weird and all things that I like, all things, all

like

really awkward moments. Let's dive into them and live in them for a minute. But I don't know that's like the very first thing you want to do with a Disney plus

series.

My overall take on the show is slow-burn. That's the only word I have for it. I feel like it's just going to be a slow burn and we're going to get some really good stuff. And it's going to make you think about things differently. And you're going to see a lot of callbacks to a lot of the films and , not what you would expect from Marvel. And hopefully it works out and people stick around. That's the only thing like people's patients' levels are so low. We see that with this show, even, our average view time on YouTube is like five minutes, for an hour show.

I think the. Having each episode framed with this like overlay of American TV, sitcom, TV having that imprint on each episode is going to be a thing of I'm already intrigued on, okay. What's the S what's the, what's the first color. Episode gonna look like what TV show angle are they going to hit with this one?

Because this first episode is very much a I love Lucy. Yep.



That's been kind of vibe. I believe it's been reported that the first one was. Based on, I love Lucy. And the second one was

Bewitched,

Which definitely Bewitched, I wasn't sure Dick van Dyke because of the whole, like when vision carries Wanda through like into the home at the beginning and almost trips on the chair or the Ottoman or whatever, I was like, Oh, Dick van Dyke show, but he just phases through it. That was that's cute. That, that first episode, there was just a lot of Oh, that's cute.

Yeah, it really it's a giant leap from where Marvel has been. So it's just a completely different thing, but there's

obviously end of end game. And then this is where we pick up.

I think, you're just going to get little tidbits of things it's like watching a like a mystery or a, what is the thing? It's like a live action escape room or something, you're just, you're trying to figure out what is going on, what these pieces that you're seeing, how do they fit in the puzzle?

And then eventually I think it'll be explained and it'll all make sense and we'll get into a whole other. Realm of the Marvel

universe. yeah. It's wild, man. It's wild.

Do we want to dive deep into episode

one? Yeah. Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. Yeah. Like classic, I love Lucy setup. There's the heart on the calendar and neither of them really remember what is important about that date.

And then. She thinks it's an anniversary. He finds out that his boss is coming over for dinner and then hilarity ensues. But what's nice is we get the introduction of Kathryn Hahn who is just an American treasure. Let's be honest everything Catherine Hahn is in is good.

She's always funny.

Yeah. Yeah, but my wife loves every, like every time I watch a show on and she comes on, she's so funny.

Hilarious.

Yeah. And it's like this whole episode, just, this really went hard on the both of these went pretty hard on the marriage comedy, which is a, probably a different demographic for Marvel.

Yeah, definitely. Definitely. And let's see. So this one leads me to my first prediction here. And that is Kathryn Hahn is going to be a big deal because if into the spider verse taught me anything it's at this point, Kathryn Hahn is too big of a, of an actor to be in just like supporting sidekick role.

True, makes sense..

I don't know if it's she is somebody on the outside of this realm where things are happening. If she's just an impression from somebody else out there, or if she is inflicting some sort of stuff, she is a villain. I don't know what, but she's going to be a big deal.

Write it down.

And we're seeing like between episodes. So far the characters continue into the next episode. And so , so there's obviously importance to each character and they serve a particular role. I'm sure we'll figure it out eventually.

Also the house changed between one and two.

It is it's as they went from, I love Lucy to bewitched. So like everything changes except for the characters. Imagine we'll see new characters as well, but some of them get pulled along, so there's, there has to be a reason.

Yeah.

And I got the fields a little bit watching this first one.

Yeah. When I was a kid, I, we used to watch reruns of, I love Lucy with my mom. So that was like hitting me in the fields a little bit, bringing back some memories which is nice because I tend to I have a hard time remembering. What happened to me? Like I forget, I can't remember my childhood at all, like hard, like at all.

And so it's nice. Like that kinda got triggered a little bit so I can remember. Yeah, that was nice. And then seeing the Bewitched thing I wasn't like an, I love Lucy or, Bewitched fan. I think we were both right, still too young for those things to be like major parts of our

race, like naked night.

If you happen upon it and there's nothing else going on then. Sure,

exactly. Like it's on every once in a while and re it's just in the background kind of thing, usually not Main reason to watch television for us, so it'll get really interesting when it goes into the realm of the shows that we grew up

on.

Yeah, definitely. Definitely. When I got braces in the eighth grade, I had braces from the end of eighth grade until after the summer, after my freshman year of college. So five years of braces, that's my orthodontist played. I love Lucy episodes in his waiting room. All day, every day you have terrible memories.

So I have terrible, like my, yeah, my sense memory of, I love Lucy. Not positive. That's brutal

now. Yeah.

We moved right on to the bewitched and hopefully something a

little more, just pretty neutral for me. Remember it being on, I remember checking it out. The nose Twitch,

but.

At first, I thought it was I dream of Jeannie. Cause I think I saw that more than B, which

I mean they're essentially the same show. Yeah.

so I think we should talk about how maybe wanda and her character and how it's changed a little bit since we've been introduced to her because, she was Russian and now all of a sudden she has this very American, sorry.

Excuse me. She was and now she has this very standard American dialect.

Yeah.

Her accent has really trailed off. Yeah. Really trailed off.

Whatever this realm is that she's in or if it's just in her mind or whatever it is. I'm curious if it has an American influence, even though they hint it toward it being what's his name?

What is that guy's name? The guy struck her. They hint that this whole thing is set up by Strucker

well, are you referencing the commercial for the

watch? The commercial and the sword. And I believe in the comics Strucker was the leader of sword. Am I right about this? I'm not even sure. I think this has something to do with that.

We can Google

it too guys. Googling. Step

two, you guys Google and stuff.

The logo was on the the notepad at the very end of the first episode by the person who's watching the television, who we don't know who that is yet.

So it's not stuck. . So the beekeeper is in the comics in sword and sword. We're not sure it may be the new shield.

Yeah. I don't know where they fall in the shield hydro spectrum of things.

And then there's also indications that Strucker based on the commercials has influence over this reality as well.

Cause that first commercial is for a stark product. It's the stark toaster. Oh, yeah. And then the second commercial is Strucker. So you're going through, it seems to me like it's a timeline thing of the first outside force to really like.

Mess with Wanda's life was the stark bomb that killed her parents and then the memory thing for her. So I think, yeah, I think we're just like pulling

a giant coping mechanism from

Wanda

what exactly. Exactly. Yeah. That makes sense. Can we talk about the creepiness of the choking scene, bro?

Oh,

man.

Stop it. Stop it. The man, the mom from that seventies show she murdered that I was like, this is too weird. This is going on forever.

Super weird.

I loved it. Add 30 more seconds. Do it.

Oh man. I don't know what any

of it means. I think, her reality glitched out there for a second. And then when she said vision, the way she talked to vision there, what'd she say vision help him save him, help him. Yeah, she's one. She spoke directly to the camera when she said that. So our eyes went straight onto the camera, breaking the fourth wall a little bit and then talking to vision to help him and that was uncharacteristic of what's been going on so far, it was that she had to television to do it, which makes me wonder if vision is even there at all. Obviously because he's dead in the Marvel universe.

Yeah. I think at this point it is her mind's version of.

Yeah, this is all just some kind of mega coping mechanism or trance or yeah. Or

either she's in the matrix on her own volition that she's created for herself or somebody else has imposed their matrix onto her. And she's. Okay with it.

Yeah. And speaking of which I think this is when we get a little further along in the show, maybe we can talk about this, like how it relates to the way that reality works for people.

The more I talk to people or, see people express their opinions about things. The more I realize that everyone is just in their own bubble. You know what I mean? As far as like the way that we interpret reality in general or, it's easily seen in politics, how somebody will have a certain point of view and other people have another point of view when presented with almost identical facts somehow.

There's two sides to things,

the spin machine.

Yeah, but to them, it's actually true. Like the thing is true. And so like their reality is one thing because they believe it. And then another person's reality is completely different thing. Because they believe it. And I think that we could get into some really interesting philosophical, deep territory, maybe down the line here about those kinds of things.

In the meantime? We'll talk about episode

two.

I hope so too. Yeah. Episode two was fun. The I enjoyed the like bedroom noise scene, it was good. And Weird of just like, all right, what is that noise?

Is this a sign that reality is shaking in some way?

Weird about that scene is I remember having those memories when I was a kid, that happened to me. So I was really identifying with that. I was like, Oh, this is so weird because I remember when I was a kid branches hitting the window and freaking out, so I can really identify with that. Think of that happened to me. And two, they're taking the, they're taking the humor in a much more naughty direction with this show. So this is a very adult show. And I don't think I realize that like at all until we watched it, lots of innuendo in this thing

Let's see.

Highlights of the second episode. We get the introduction of what Geraldine is that her name? Who could potentially be Monica Rambo, the daughter the little girl in captain Marvel grown up.



We'll see where her character, how she comes into play. She was one of the only people to like notice that things were off with the magic show and . You get that weird neighborhood association, the F Oh, the, for the children.

What?

Oh man. I think that might be some kind of truth drop. That is just weird.

Yeah. There's something culty going on there,

And what is the other show? The one on HBO, His Dark Materials, his dark materials dives into that as well. So that

man, that show is his art materials is basically like a don't trust adults show.

Every adult in that show is terrible, except for. Lin Manuel.

Yeah. And and the guy's father, his father,

I don't know. I

He didn't go back. Yeah.

But I think he means yes. I think he means I think he means well but there was definitely like a certain, I feel like he in the same way that as rails wrapped up in this whole.

We got to bring down the authority thing. I feel like he's similarly wrapped up in that,

That

show is tackling some serious issues and if you haven't watched it and make sure you watch his dark materials it's going on hard and deep.

That's probably not the right reference.

It's going hard on it. It's going hard and deep on some children's stuff and no, it's you, it's one of those shows that we can only watch it like one episode at a time because it's I just feel bad. Cause all of these children are just being let down by every adult near them.

Yeah.

It's a slow burn and It just makes you wonder, it just really makes you wonder they're not pulling any punches they're talking about I think, something akin to what's really going on and it's scary. It's fricking scary.

But it also, magic is real, so that's cool. And uncursing, some words that we demon has always been thought of as a terrible thing. And then in this case, they're at the actual, like embodiment of their souls is it is a thing called a demon. So it gets really interesting really changing up the way that we interpret words and reality itself.

And I hope they keep making it I'm nervous that they'll get to a certain point and stop making it like they did with Jim Henson's the dark

crystal. Yeah. I think they

there's only one. I think they're basically following the books and there were only three books, so I think they're going to do a season three and then I think that'll be it.

And now that should wrap it all up. Yeah. Hopefully it

wraps it all up and I'm not sure why they, I don't know why they're telling the story. Like the people that are in charge, are basically, I don't know what the deal is. I don't know. I don't want to go too conspiracy

on this, but it's to make money.

It's strange that they're actually telling this story. You know what I mean? If the rumors about children being abducted and who abducts them are true, why would those same people put out a story or maybe not the exact same people, but people nearly closely associated with those people put out a story like this, I don't know

I'm having a hard time following,

I can't even, I think we might have to have, I think we might have to have a secret episode about this because it gets heavy and weird and into conspiracy land and yeah.

Let's go back into Wandavision. All right. So I saw a fun meme the other day, I guess it had to be yesterday because.

The show came out on Friday, ran today Sunday, but there was the two things that can stop vision Thanos and gum.

But I loved the animation of the gum getting into his gears and just like turning him into, I dunno, just completely wasted drunk of a person. It was great.

And then also too just the whole production of the show. They are using effects that look like the effects they would use back when the show was done.

So like the really bad cut for like when her wedding ring pop on, like the bad edit and the the way that the dishes were floating in the air look really cheesy and yeah. Unrealistic, yeah. The really

leaning in on it. Yeah. Which is nice.

Yeah. It's something totally different.

Something we haven't seen. I think it's going to test a lot of people's patience. I don't know if people, most people have the patients to go pass this. Because it's like obviously a gonna be a slow burn. I think people will either abandon it or they'll come back after it's done to watch all of it.

Yeah. Maybe when it's you don't have to wait a week. Yeah to get the next one. I could see it being a little bit more Bingy , because I know as soon as the first one ended, I was ready to start the second one, I was all in cause, I want to know what's going on with the major story, but at the same time, the stuff that's happening in between, that's really that sitcommy stuff really it keeps my attention enough.

And another thing that's interesting, is it depending on how they tackle this realm we're in this reality, this could reset the Marvel universe as a whole. They could theoretically bring vision back for real, her powers are beyond strong, but yeah,

what's interesting is her power comes from the mind stone.

No power does, or I thought visions power comes

Both because the mind stone is what struck her was experimenting on so he used, cause it was still in the sceptre, but that's he used the sceptor to create Wanda and her brother. So the fact that they're both of the mind stone.

I think lends it to the idea of like where it could be also, in end game, they stole the mind stone from the Sceptre after the battle for New York and then captain America takes it back. So in theory, the mind stones should be somewhere. now,

it should be back wherever it was originally in the timeline,

or maybe their timeline is now so jacked up that cause it's, I don't know the back to the future rules. So I don't know if, I don't know if the mind stone is available and if they can recreate vision or if she can recreate vision without the mindstone. I don't know.

I don't know.

Let me get this straight. The all the stones have been destroyed because of Thanos

correct. So

in their timeline,

so the only severe option those back. Yeah. I don't think the only

option would be like, when cap went back, if something got wonky and he didn't get that one back correctly,

So

milestone wise, I think. I think it's gone. I think it's just

now what you could get is in the multi-verse another vision in one of the other universes

They cleaned up the universe is pretty well. I think with the way they explained it by having to go back and put them back, there's really only one timeline for the most part.

Gotcha. They corrected it. I'm sure. There's some minor things that may have splintered, but like overall the main things are the same.

Yeah. We'll also see where Dr. Strange two goes, I think that might have something to do with it, or that's what we could be leading up to since Wanda's in a Doctor Strange

change.

Multiverse of Madness

Who else can time travel? Is there more than one or. Is it just, it's just ant man. Is there another ant man coming out?

Yes. There's ant man. And the quantum realm is coming out or

Ant-Man

man and the wasp and the quantum something quantum mania or

something like that.

Okay. So there's more time travel coming up.

I think there's going to be like full blown, like multi-verse time travel craziness between Dr. Strange and. And

man. Okay. So really anything is at play and the mind stone could come back into play

or you could just get other universe vision show up. I don't know. That's a lot. That's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. Okay. So the fun, weird parts in episode two. The glitchy radio with a, Oh my gosh, Wanda, who's doing this to you. Are you there? Are you there? Oh man. Who's

that guy?

It's like somebody else is somebody talking from outside and some audio is getting in, right?

Yeah, no, but if they're talking from the outside and they don't see what's going on it gets weird. And I'm sure they'll explain it, but it's Oh yeah. Is that person right there next to Wanda? Is that person just seeing a vision of Wanda

they trying to tap into the matrix signal, right?

Is it like a

Cerebro brain? Yeah, we don't know.

Yeah. And then there's the beekeeper situation at the end. Where the beekeeper comes out of the manhole.

I'm

curious what the beekeeper's powers are. Let's look that up.

Yeah. Bee keeper, powers

what abilities, what is the role? This is Inmar.

I should

probably put Marvel in there. Beekeepers can keep bees alive for almost 15 years. I don't know.



Ah, advanced idea. Mechanics is

oh, aim.

That's a that's from iron man. Three,

not AOL instant

messenger, not AOL instant messenger. What was your instant messenger name?

Jammin' Jake.

I

remember that

I tried to recover it a few years ago.

I wasn't able,

yeah, I think I logged in at one point and I was like, yeah, no you can't. I was Tito 43.

That's right. Yeah. I don't remember that.

Yeah.

We'll get to the bottom of this. Oh, okay. So aim is advanced idea. Mechanics from earth 616. Okay. It is a privately funded think tank or organization of a group of brilliant scientists who sole dedication is to acquire and develop power through technological means their goal is to use this power to overthrow the governments of the world.

They supply arms and technology to radicals and subversive organizations in order to. Foster a violent technological revolution of society while making a profit. So they're just like a terror type

organization or something.

Kelly and Aldrich. And the extremists from iron man three. What's his name? The dude from memento the interesting thing.

Oh, his name's guy, guy Pierce.

Oh, there is an iron man. Three. Yep. Yep. Fantastic movie. If you haven't seen memento. Oh

gosh, my Memento is

amazing.

It might test your patience, but it's worth it. Riveting. So I think the important thing here is that it comes from earth six 16.

Yeah. Again, multi-verse man we're going multiple earths, multiple universes.

I think that's where we're headed in the grander scheme

of things. Didn't they announced captain America is back or something

that. Might've been a rumor. Yeah. So there's. So that, but then Chris Evans tweeted like news to me. So we'll see. Yeah.

And even Tony stark could come back.

Everybody could come back. Nobody dies I guess .So we could see anything. We could see Thanos again, who know? absolutely. Speaking of pianos I rewatched all of the movies that Wanda was in before this.

Ooh. And tell me about that.

I really,

I really understood where Thanos is coming from a little more of this time on the watch, through having his planet destroyed that way. It really made a little more sense to me, like why he was so adamant about this.

Yeah. Dudes got some trauma. And he probably should have gone and seen a therapist or something to work all that out.

Instead he's decided to go with mass genocide.

Also too, he may not be wrong. That's the kicker



Oh, as far as the resources and all that kind of business. Yeah. Yeah. There's something to be said for, don't don't strip it all away.

But murdering people to make that happen also not great. There's better ways use that energy a little bit more productively.

Yeah. Yeah. There are better, there are easier ways to do it. There's easier

ways than killing exactly. One half of all species. Yeah.

You could just cull them a little bit with A virus created in the lab, for instance.

Okay. Oh, Hey. Oh, okay. Let's real

for all of you listening on the podcast, I'm doing a fishing mime. I went too far. Let's just, we'll get back to, we'll get back to the Wandavision.

Can we talk about the rewind? We haven't talked about that yet. I just kicked over my garbage can. The rewind. Yeah. Where she says no. When she sees the beekeeper says no, and then rewinds. , the whole world back. Or the TV

show back, I don't think I even, I remember now, but I, it didn't register like how important that might be.

Yeah. So cause I spent one and what nine tenths of the episodes. Thinking that this was some external thing done to Wanda to keep her in this like stasis or whatever or, figure out something, in a very matrix kind of way. But then when she says no and exerts like a certain amount of control over the situation then is this

prison of her own making. Yeah.

Like a coping mechanism for the tragedy that's

happened to her. Yeah,

exactly. So that's, on one hand you've got the radio where it's saying, who's doing this to you, but then on the other hand, she's saying no, and maybe she's just Hey, this is beneficial to me because I'm happy and I'm with vision.

Yeah. So I don't care if this is some external force because I get to live this life that I couldn't have otherwise lived. But even if it is that if it is, this external force that's created, the matrix, then she can still exert that level of power over

it shows, she's is she the most powerful Avenger ?

Either

between her and captain Marvel and maybe the

Hulk. Yeah. Yeah. And this kind of goes back to what I was talking about with reality bubbles, how everybody lives in their own bubble of reality. And maybe everyone has this power i s where I'm coming from.

But in the Marvel universe, maybe it is just her. Maybe she's the only one that has this power. Maybe she is just like a God, so to speak. She could basically do anything she wants.

In the comics, there's this whole house of M storyline. I don't know how familiar. Yeah. You

know what, tell me about this.

Basically something happens and I don't remember what triggers it, but she gets real mad and basically says no more mutants. And all like all mutants are gone. Life . Goes to like a normal place where there are no mutants, like all these people that are still alive, like Wolverine exists, but he's Logan and he doesn't have, metal healing knives coming out of his hands.

And then that goes on for a while. I don't know much else about the story, but she has the power to completely change the reality, which is odd. Because her powers do not come from the reality stone.

Something to take in account is also Loki's staff itself probably had some magic associated with it as well.

And also the story in the comic is probably different. She probably has a

no her powers in the comic come from, like she's also lived on a mountain or was born. It was raised on a mountain she's Magneto's kid. Maybe there's some like totally different. Yeah, there's a whole lot else going on there.

But I think in the comics, it's pretty established that aside from maybe the Phoenix force, she is the most powerful by a crazy lot. Yeah. Which.

Leads us to where in the world are we going? If everything is off if, everything is on the table. What's next? Are we going to see shows that are just in one reality Oh, this is the reality where captain Marvel came back and this is the reality when Ironman didn't go, didn't die.

And this is the reality, are we going to start seeing that.

I think we're going to see that some of that with the whole, what if series?

Okay. So they can compartmentalize that story in the, what If's then multiple realities or

whatnot, but as far as like how the Loki show works and if they ever tie that into any other characters I feel like that is an alternate timeline universe

now

didn't he die like three times or

something.

Yeah, I mean he died. He faked his death in Thor two, and then like legit died in infinity war.

How did he die in the F Thanos just killed him. Is that what happened?

Yeah. You just strangled him, broke his neck.

The, can you kill a God like that? Isn't that? Hasn't that been?

I don't think he's they use the term God, pretty loosely with the Asgardians.



Plus he was from originally like a monster. Oh, yeah.

Plus he was he was actually from Oh my gosh, here we go. Here we go. I keep wanting to say Isengard and then it's wrong.

He was a frost giant from.

Yoda. Anaheim. Yes. And then he just changed his image to human, so frost giants, probably not immortal.

It was a runt of a frost giant, I think is how they put it in the movie. I see. So that's nice. He's like normal human night and weight.

No, but they showed him as one, right?

Like when he

was like blue or whatever. Yeah. They showed them as blue. And I don't know how they got around that, but he's not eight feet tall, like the other Frost Giants.

If he is the God of mischief. Supposedly also, so that's interesting, that he's a frost giant and then also he's the God of this trip.

So yeah, I think

that's just like a part of that title. cause then he, as the movies show, it's Thor really latches on to Odin and Fregger, teaches, Loki kind of her, witch'n ways, and that's how he's able to do his magic stuff.

Speaking of magic stuff, maybe we should talk about the, what we did talk about a little bit, the funny drunk vision

scene.

Yeah. Yeah.

The magic show. I love how they rehearsed it one way and then did the show and it came out like a totally different Oh, absolutely different. Version of that. And Wanda is just constantly having to use her power to fix whatever it was.

Yeah. Yeah. I loved that like drunk vision was just like, Oh yeah, check this out.

I can fly.

And, Oh, here's the strings. And it reminds me like how gullible people were. It seems like people were more gullible, farther back. Like when I was younger, I was definitely more gullible. And people would say, maybe that's just because you were younger, but I feel like people in general were more gullible.

Not that long ago.

Yeah. I don't know.

I'm thinking in terms of a magic show in 1970 versus a magic show. Now I

remember the David Copperfield. Series on TV. We all thought those were like legit illusions and it turns out like all those big things that he did were basically just camera edits.

Yeah. Like

smoke and mirrors.

No, like literal, like we just shot it separate like totally camera edits. Like not even smoke and mirrors. Like he just got to a point where he couldn't do a bigger. Thing without just making a film, essentially. That's what happened with that, that whole Bermuda Island thing like that.

You can see where the sun is in different places and stuff like that was shot over time and trying, they tried to pass it off as real time.

Gotcha.

Yeah, I, yeah. I remember like previews for the David Copperfield. Like we're going to make the statue of Liberty disappear kind of stuff, but I don't remember actually ever watching one.

Me and my wife went back and watched it not too long ago. . Yeah. It brings back memories. I used to watch that I was into Ma... actually knew some magic. Oh yeah. Yeah. You're doing so much slight of hand stuff. Yeah. It was in the Louisville magic club. Word, but yeah. And yeah, I won the the young, slight of hand tournament one.

It's funny because now you deal cards. What's funny is was involved to

get you kicked

out. I Never ever spoke of this. But also I've lost that dexterity in my hands. So I can't. Do it, like it's like when you're a kid it's easier to learn new things, put your hand in...

All of this is all rubbery. Yeah. You can put it in yeah. Whatever position. And now as an adult, it's like ID, I dealt cards for a little while and I couldn't do it. Like I, it's too clunky. Like my hands just, they don't work. Like they used to,

now if you went into work. And pulled out the next deck of cards and you're like, Hey, just before we get started, let me just read it and have all in do all this crazy, like slight of hand stuff would some like casino with some security agent just come tackle you, or would it just be like, yeah, you can't do that.

Here's your writeup.

Yeah, it would be more like, if you're sitting there on a table, like this happened when I dealt the WSLP, the world series of poker, world series of poker, they take an hour and 45 minute lunch break. So you just sit at the table and it's just you and a deck of cards.

So if you were to, for instance, play solitaire. Somebody would come over and be like no, like you would get in trouble, like pretty, do not do much of these. So I imagine it would be a similar thing. Now, if a gaming commission got involved, it could be a nightmare.

Do you have to get certified by the gaming commission to like deal?

Yeah.

You got to get a approved. It's like a whole government review background check. It's

creepy. So if you just pulled out a Sharpie and just start, like putting dots on cards, how quickly would it take for you to be out of

there?

Yeah, so I knew of a guy who stole a card. It's like he took one card, one card from a deck. He was not allowed in any casino ever banned from all casinos basically. And I'm not sure if they prosecuted, but they might've prosecuted him for something. And that's, so tampering, with things in a casino, what people don't realize is that they have the same.

Laws as banks. So if you do something in a casino that you couldn't do in a bank, you would be prosecuted to that extent. So if you picked up a $10 bill off the ground, you just found it and walk out with it. You would actually be stealing $10 from a bank, which is a big no-no. Yeah, you don't want to, you don't want to do anything sketchy in a casino.

Nice. Good tip. Yeah.

I did get a deck of cards from somebody who worked at a casino, but they had a whole bunch.

Yeah. Those are the old blackjack cards.

So nothing nefarious there?

. But like stealing a fresh poker card. That's not a good idea.

Now, what would be the difference between a poker card and a blackjack card? Is there,



here's the difference? The difference is like poker cards are more bendy. Like they're higher quality cards. So you can bend a poker card and it will go back. If you bend the blackjack card, it will have a crease in it and you won't be to use that.

Interesting. Yeah. And that's so that you can shield your cards better with

the poker cards.

Yeah. Then them up to look at them like on the table, hide them on your hands.

Yeah. Yeah, man, this is some serious inside

baseball.

Yeah. This will probably all get cut out, but yeah. Wow. What are we talking about then? What kind of podcasts is this oh, no, we should do. We should talk about music.

Yeah. Yeah, we got we got a... We got a song on the Spotify

song on the Spotify or Apple. What is, so what happened here?

iTunes went, used to be iTunes and now they just call it Apple music because they want you to , subscribe.

They want you to pay. They want you to cancel your Spotify. And use Apple music.

Yeah. I feel like they had such good branding with iTunes. And I don't know why they just threw out the name. They should have just kept the name and morphed the platform. no?



Yeah. It was iTunes and then they have an app store and then they changed it to, is it still the app store or they changed the branding on that too.

Is that what it was?

Yeah, it used to be an iTunes store and now it's the app store.

That makes sense. But changing iTunes. I don't know why they

would. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's just called music now. It's not called Apple music. It's just called music.

Five

minutes with Ben. Hey, how are you guys doing? Go ahead. Say it out loud. How are you doing?

I hope you're doing well. I'm doing okay. It's been a bit of a week, but we're going to get through it. You and I. All of us together.

Good times. Good times.

Just waiting on Jacob, just waiting on Jacob to come back. He'll get back eventually and we'll get back into it. But for now we're just waiting and that's okay.

Yeah, everybody. You know what? Just take a deep breath in with me. Here we go. Three, two, one, inhale.

Just let it sit. And the exhale

you feel that you're alive. That's pretty great. So breathe it together. One more time. Here we go. Three, two, one,

and exhale

feels good. Feels good.

Man, I'll tell you what I order from Domino's pizza. When I want the like shitty pizza. If I want good pizza, I'm going to order a good pizza, but sometimes you just want filler pizza. You want quantity over quality. And when that is the case Domino's is my go-to because I can get more than likely a medium pizza for five 99, plus some cheesy bread for five 99.

And then maybe even that brownie chocolate chip cookie dessert thing for five 99. And that's a pretty, pretty rad coupon and it's always available. That's my Domino's go to order sometimes I'll add some wings. If I'm feeling like I'm just going all in. Sometimes I'll get a two liter of Coke. If I, I don't have , anything at home.

Let me tell you every time I order from Domino's they're like, do you want to sign up or do you want to continue as a guest? And every time I continue as a guest, but they have my email. No one is more, what's the word? Aggressive, not aggressive. Aggressive is too aggressive. Nobody is more Ever present in my email as Domino's pizza, every single day Domino's wants me to buy pizza and that's just not my life.

Domino's, I'm not there one, that's a lot of heartburn I'd be introducing into my life. I can really only do that about. Once a month tops. Plus if I'm eating pizza more than once a month, I'm going to get a good pizza, like a quality an Impellizzeri's if you're from the Louisville area Oh, and since we're on the topic of pizza, let's talk about deep dish Chicago style for a second.

I have both lived in Chicago and New York, and I'm going to say something controversial here. I think I like Chicago style more.

Did I mean that? I don't know. I dunno. I have to be in a mood. I have to be in a mood. What I like is a crust solid enough to fit all of the toppings that I need. And, Chicago style just doesn't have that all the time. It just doesn't have it. So you get, it gets too soupy. You try to pick it up.

You have to eat it with a fork and a knife. You just have to, but the crust is good. Like that corn meal situation, it does add a level of enhancement. Is it still pizza? I don't know. Do I enjoy it? Yes. New York style. You get that like brick oven kind of vibe, even if it's from just a shitty corner.

Bodega kind of thing, and it's greasy as all get out. And so you got to know where your restrooms are for the rest of the day, or at least for the most immediate, hour and a half after you eat it. Cause You gotta be safe. You don't want to be stuck on the Q train, crossing the Manhattan bridge and have a pizza grease emergency.

You gotta plan this out. Guess what it comes down to is if I'm going to eat a nicer pizza, I would, I'll still take an impellizzeri's Louisville style pizza. Over Chicago or New York style. Detroit, Michigan, they got the square pizza there. I do like the square pizza.

It's pretty nice. Jacob, are you back?

Yeah. Sweet. That's a mute my mic. I'm just cracking

up over here.

How much of that did you get? How much were you there for

the pizza at the end?

Okay. We did some nice breathing, a little bit of meditative. Okay. Just Hey let's just breathe it together.

Let's that? Let's share a moment. Listeners. Just take that deep breath in.

Let's sit for a second. Breathe with me, Jacob and exhale.

Let's do an SMR type episode.

I don't know enough about SMR.

Off the rails.

Woo. This train is gone.

Oh man. I'm on my fourth cup of coffee right now. I'm so pumped. I'm ready for the podcast. Are you ready

I'm drinking. Nate's coffee out of Lexington, Kentucky. That's pretty rad. This is a lighter roast. It's called Wake yo ass up. That's pretty good.

This is more Hawaiian coffee.

Oh, that Kona. I'm not sure if it's actually Kona. Okay. I don't know what makes it Kona. I have no idea that

this

is definitely into all Hawaiian. That's what I thought. And then I looked on the label and there's no Kona. It's called a I don't know what it's called, but it's a, it's still really good.

So yeah. That's really good. I'll have to do some research into what actually makes it Kona.

Hey, you know what, if listener, watcher of the YouTube. Yeah. Leave a comment. Leave that comment. Tell us about Kona. Don't make us Google it ourselves.

Why do our own research when you already know the answer,

set us straight. Speaking of what you think we should have a guest. I feel like we should have a guest on our show. Sure.

Yeah. Let's have a guest.

Yeah, if you want to be a guest on our show,

if you want to be a guest, leave a comment to that comment,

leave a comment, say, Hey, I want to be on your podcast and we'll get you in. We'll get you in

maybe. Yeah. There's a review process, right? Yeah. There's a background check.

Yep. Can you deal cards?

You can't be on our podcast. Do you know magic tricks? Yes. Do you know magic tricks, man? I wonder what's up with zoom magic. Anybody doing zoom magic right now? That should be a thing

that would be fun. Yeah. Like a lot like a zoom live magic show.

Right?

just all up close. Yeah.

Yeah. If only I had my dexterity, all gone.

Yeah. I don't know. Any other thoughts on Wandavision? Oh wait, your rewatch of all of the Wanda and vision movies. So you watched age of Ultron? Yes. Civil war. Yeah. And then the last two. Infinity war and end game. Yeah. I really

enjoyed age of Ultron a little more. This time I originally had it's

better.

The

more you watch it. Yeah. Originally I was just so turned off by the animation, looking a little cartoony. It really bothered me, but this time around, I just went with it and didn't care as much. And the story was great.

Yeah, James Spader, his voice, man. He like, yeah.

There are four voices that to me are legendary.

Okay. One is Morgan Freeman, obviously.

Definitely. He hands down. Number one, God, my friend ended a friend

Two

the guy that played. He's in his dark materials and he also played Moriarity in,

Oh, Andrew Scott. Holy shit. His voice that guy is intense. He is an intense fella. He's so good. It's just, Fleabag?

I've seen like an episode. I didn't realize

He's in the second season of Fleabag. It's great. Is, he is

fantastic. He's so captivating. He's the most, gosh, I can't take my eyes off of him when he's in a scene in His Dark Materials. I'm like, Oh, just say a word, and it's yeah, it's just it's incredible.

And it just resonates like in his whole body, but it's, I don't know what it is, man. It's just something about his voice.

Oh yeah. It's his voice his eyes, his demeanor. It's everything. He was in what specter? The James Bond movies. And he has this like very like middle of the road kind of character.

And it's you can't have that guy be like

the regular dude.

Yeah. He's gotta be a little bit more than that.

Yeah. T has too much gravitas

agreed. Two

more, two more Kiefer Sutherland. Ooh, Keifer's voice has the same thing where it just, it resonates, it like resonates everywhere and it's even if he's being quiet, it feels like it has the strength behind it.



It's just is intense yelling in 24 is just chef's

kiss.

I was huge 24 fan and like going back and looking at it now, it just looks like a bunch of garbage, to make us all afraid of the certain demographic of people. But man Keifer onscreen. He just captivates you.

And then and I feel like he's redeemed , that role by by his new role in designated survivor. Did you see this?

No, I didn't.

Man, he plays the president.

And he's Secretary of some something housed consequential. Yeah. He's he's the HUD guy. Oh,

accidental president. Yeah.

Like everyone is murdered and there's nobody to become president. He's the, like the last on the list and he's amazing. So captivating his voice and the final one, the fourth one is James Spader. Yeah. Gotcha.

It's not always captivating, but something about him

and that's what I loved about his run-on the office. They really tapped into him just being like a mesmerizing weird

dude.

Yeah. It was just something about him and yeah, no, what's interesting. I think about people's voices is the longer they take to say, a word.

The more mesmerizing and captivating they are. And I think that's something that Morgan Freeman does. And Andrew Scott. They take a long time to get to the next

word. There's a confidence there. Yeah. It's incredibly deliberate.

Yeah. It's incredible. Yeah. And yeah, that takes me. That takes us back to the concept of this translate to we're putting everyone in a minute. You were speaking very slow, very deliberate. And yeah, I think my mind was warped a little bit. We were in, so we were in Benvision for a

minute.

That's right. So what about civil war?

I understood it a lot more of this time around the not signing the documents and the government intervention and understood where cap was coming from. I understand both sides of this a little bit more. It really said again, whereas before it didn't sink in, like it just, it was just like a dumb excuse to have a A fight, right?

Whatever, I'm like manufactured con

conflict, whatever reason. It just really a little more maybe it's because of the divide we've seen with people and the way that they're fighting or not fighting or the political divide and seeing how people's minds are in two totally different places.

And just being able to zoom out from that a little bit and then see how it affected these characters that we

know and love.

Yeah, I remember watching it maybe the second time when it has come out on like Blu-ray or whatever. And. After watching it, or maybe in the middle of it all the scenes where they're debating the pros and cons of signing the Accords.

I was like, I don't like this part of the movie. This is they're having like real real conversations about the merits of this and how it can go, like in everybody's coming from it. Yeah. Coming at it from like their point of view. But but there are making like solid arguments. Yeah. And it sounds like they're listening to each other and that's great.

Yeah. And and I think that's, the, maybe that's a frustration of our current environment to where it's like, Oh, look at these people, like having a conversation and maybe affecting each other in certain ways. The fact that it. Ultimately resorts to violence. Isn't great. But just having a nice policy debate

they didn't fight outright to start with,

so maybe that's maybe our current climate is why I enjoyed that part so much because yeah. At the time they could all still be friends. Yeah. Yeah.

On the rewatch, I think got a lot to do with it. And this also is part of why our band is called dual paradigm. I think it's like we are able to zoom out a little bit.

Yeah. Between the two of us, I think. Just individually, you can see the merits of both sides, yeah. Even though once I may say it's, the other side is ridiculous and the other side says the other side is ridiculous. There are some arguments that seem fair.

Some of them,

Just don't want to lose sight of the humanity. Yeah. Yeah. We're all people like, if we can all not lose sight of that and realize that we don't need to be enemies. Yeah, we can disagree.

It's okay. To disagree a hundred percent. It's okay to disagree. It's okay.

To have a different perspective. It's okay. No, that's the whole point. That's what freedom is. You can have a different perspective from me and that's okay. That's the point. And if that starts getting taken away then that's what gets taken away. And maybe we should pay more attention

to that.

And then and also zooming out and looking at like in what ways are you? And I free in ways that other people are not. And how do we reconcile with that?

Yeah. And are we, are we all in the same kind of a dumpster fire boat of having to pay our bills and, struggle we all have struggles.

Definitely they're different. Maybe this goes back to maybe. What I'm trying to say is everybody's reality is individual. It's not a collective everyone experiences life differently, and I think having respect for that , like on an individual basis, of respecting people is about how do you behave around people?

How do you treat people? The people that you actually talk to, not just what you post on Twitter, how do you really interact with the reality that is around you?

Am I wrong here? Did I get too, too? .

That was all great. So infinity war, I just feel benefit anymore. Got deep zip the

war rewind that. Infinity War



I just think like everybody's everybody's journey is different, right? So you want to you want to be able to factor in those differences and yeah, like we may have struggled in certain ways, our struggle is going to be completely different or not completely different, but like our struggles that are going to be.

Similar in some ways and wildly different in our experiences with certain, groups of people or systems, or just normal experiences where, or what you and I would call normal experiences, have different repercussions for other types of people. So just being aware that. That's a thing.





I think having to incorporate what other people think constantly into your own conversation into your own reality, can mess things up in a way, like

Both ways, if I'm not oppressed and I'm always taking into consideration the oppressed. In all of my decision-making that weakens the power that I have as an individual to live life, the way that I want to live it. And if I am oppressed and I'm always taking into consideration the powers that be, then that's no way to live your life.

You know what I mean?

I'm not saying it should be like a. Ever present, is this going to affect whether or not you pick Domino's pizza versus Chicago style pizza, no. Unless you have really strong feelings one way or the other, or if it turns out that, Domino's is run by, just the worst person imaginable.

Then baby, you're like, okay, maybe I don't spend my money with Domino's because that person is an awful person.

What

I'm

really getting at here is that as much as you and I would like to change the world and as much as people who are oppressed would like to change the world, there's only a guarantee.

You can only guarantee to change one person, there's only one person you can change for sure. And t hat person, hopefully that's obvious to people. I feel like it may not if I don't say, the only person you can change for sure is yourself. I Hate that. I have to say that out loud.

Look enough. Failed relationships have happened because. One partner thought they could change their partner. I can make this person better. And then, yeah, that's not. Yeah, it is.

It's a common thought. In a relationship status and a workplace status.

But if there are systems that that are put in place and we listen.

To other's experiences and have the opportunity to change some of those systems. Then we should try to do that.

If the system is set up to cause

a divide.

What I'm saying is if you worked at a bank. And you saw that it was more difficult or not even you saw somebody else tells you it's more difficult to feed a certain type

of person.

Cause that's a past thing. You know what I

mean?

Yeah. It might not be

as hard

for everybody to get a loan at a bank in order to meet. You see what I'm saying? Like obviously if there are injustices that you are directly, you can stand up and say something, obviously that's important, but that's my point. Is it great if there's an injustice that you see as influencing where your reality is?

The things that you influence that's where you should speak up, not in telling other people that they should do it. You see what I'm saying? Cause you're yelling at a screen. If that's what you're doing. You're it's

You see what I'm saying?

You're talking like people on the internet saying stuff.

Yeah,

basically. Yeah. If you want change for a certain thing and you say it on the internet, you are talking to a screen. Yeah..

It's like change on the internet is screaming into the void.

No. One's opinions have changed drastically from from a 20 word post on the internet.

No, I think that's why I'm coming at it from more of an angle of a conversation. You know what I mean?

Yeah. And I, just feel like the most power that all of us have is individual not in , trying to fix the government or take the government down or any of those things like it's on an individual basis.

If we all strive to be better people individually, What kind of world would that be? You

know what I mean?

Yeah. But I think there's also, we could have societal goals,

But who decides those goals? You see what I'm saying? When you get to that point,

who decided, I think that's part of that individualness is getting involved in some sort of way so that you try to collectively create.

Solid goals

because

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Yeah. But it doesn't mean we should just completely give up. Like somebody to fix, somebody has to fix the water in Flint, Michigan. You know what I mean? That's a real goal by the way, if you still local government, but that

should, but that's my point.

If you live in Flint, Michigan, right now, you're an idiot. See what I'm saying? What if you didn't move out of Flint, Michigan, you're dumb. You just, you can change your

elderly parents . There's going to be situations. There's gonna be situations where it's just not that easy.

Like if I'm 60 years old and my 83 year old mother is, down the road and we're like, She's retired and I'm working at the mill.

I don't know that it's that easy, or if I'm like, the janitor at the building downtown and I'm barely , making ends meet, then I don't know that just like uprooting myself and the people I care about to another city is that easy.

It's not, it freaking sucks. It's terrible.

But the only person that a hundred percent has control over their situation is the individual there. And if they know they're being poisoned by their water on a regular basis, that I think at that point you have to take individual responsibility. If you know the government hasn't fixed it already.

They're probably not going to you've got to take your own responsibility there. I would assume wouldn't you.

But I think there's other ways it doesn't have to be like all or nothing. I think you can try to fix that situation,

yeah, but you see what I'm saying?

Like that. I get it. If you were in Flint, Michigan right now and your job was there. Yep. I imagine you would do everything in your power to find a job somewhere else.

Yeah, I'm just saying, I'm just I'm leaving the door open for the possibility that's not easy for a chunk of people.

Yeah. I'm sh you're right. There are probably people that can't easily do it, but what I'm saying is there a, probably also a good chunk of people. That could fairly, not easily, but could leave you knowing that the water elsewhere is okay.

or better. You know what I'm saying? There are also things you can do to get clean water.

Yeah, those places and I'm sure there's people like, using I'm sure there's I should have the bottle bottled water sales are through the roof. Everybody's got Brita filters on Brita filters, if you're in the house that you grew up in and you fear change and there's a mental hurdle on leaving, but

that could be, and I guess that's my point, right?

If you're the kind of person that fears change.

Also do we just give up on cities when they're, when their water doesn't work?

I'm not saying give up on them obviously something should have been done by now. But I'm just saying, if you are that person and you live there at some point, you have to take personal responsibility for your health, and be like, you know what I'm done, there's plenty of other cities to go to.

Yeah. And I, and maybe that's a shit take. Maybe that's the problem with my take is that, it, maybe it's garbage, but as somebody who's like literally had to decide whether I wanted to spend my last 80 cents on a candy bar or put a half a gallon of gas in my car, to get to the next town sometimes shit sucks.

You know what I mean? And you just have to do a thing,

. So the growth of Wanda envisions relationship between civil war and infinity war, and you feel like that's justified.

I really enjoy going, like going deep, on this podcast, but I feel part is part of the problem is like, people don't want to listen to going deep or don't want to listen to conflicting views or whatever. And I think that's the point.

I think the conversation is what's important for us to know right now is that nobody's listening.

That's true.

We don't know what people want to listen to. We haven't given it to them yet. It would be friends and family. Yeah.

Friends and family and

let you know, Hey, just smash that like

button, this, the share button, that would be nice to share,



and with all this that's what I'm getting at. Why is it that. People have this tendency to just yell at a

screen

because social media has turned us all into screaming machines.

What happened to , being able to zoom out a little bit and have these kinds of conversations.

Like for real, it's weird.

Cause so much of it is done through screens and you can just turn it off and not think about that shitty thing that you said, like if you're a shitty person and you say shitty things to people.

Okay. And it's people aren't even considering it's shitty.

Where's this Elizabeth Olsen doing great. Yeah, she's great.

Would a

funk, a non Olsen twin, the younger sister of the Olsen twins. Now they're still billionaires compared to her, but still like from an acting standpoint.

This is funny. It's like taking an extreme point of view is the problem.

Yeah. But we're like right now we're in the land of hot takes, because everybody's trying to get eyeballs and views take. You have then that's, what's going to draw people to it because you're passionate about it or whatever.

It's the, if you're not with me, you're against me.

It's that filet Sith language. It's

And it's being used by it's being used hard

and then just a weird, the world is getting

weird, man. Agreed.

I don't know. ,

as far as one day and Vision's story, it's all an infinity war. And then, you get a little bit of really angry Wanda in end game and that's it.



Yeah, I think they're super connected because of that mind stone and because she can't read his mind , and that makes him, somebody that, something unique for her, and just more of a challenge and probably a reason to want to be around him more. Yeah.

And that's the beginning of this, that's the beginning of it. And the romantic relationship. Definitely a weird thing, I guess we're getting into that in reality now there's like robots and certain types of toys you can purchase.

Oh yeah. Yeah. That's been around, this has been around for awhile.

.

Yeah. But, it's going there more and more.

And I think with you get the movie Laura's in the real girl. No. Yeah. He's yeah, I have a girlfriend she's right here.

And he just brings the sex doll around. Yeah. Never saw. I heard it was good. And then you got like a movie like her where Jaquine Phoenix falls in love with his phone's AI.

Haven't seen that .

A

lot of fun actually. Not fun. It's not a fun movie.

Oscar Isaac one. What was that?



Oh, ex Machina.

eX Machina,

yeah. Yeah. I have not seen that one. Great shit. Yeah. It's one of those where I it's been on cable a lot lately and I'm like, Ooh, I got to catch this at the beginning. You got to cover organically. Catch it at the beginning. When I have enough time, there was one time where it started and I was like, yes.

And then I realized I have to do something in 30 minutes and this will not work. Just taped it and picked it back up later, but it didn't do that. I just went on about my day and I haven't come back to it since. Yeah.

I think that would be a good example of how it can all go terribly wrong.

Yeah. Her is a sweet movie. It's worth looking at

okay.

Scarlett Johannson plays the AI and voice like the Siri. And then yeah, Joaquin Phoenix has just like a creeper mustache that is just so great.



So this is established here and a reminder that this film is. Target our audience is basically teenage kids.

Do we think so for one division or for infinity war, right? . Yeah. I think that's it's in that

so it starts to get weird and then it's embraced now in Wanda vision, their relationship showing such a complex.

Relationship to children.

Does this disturb you at all?

No, not really. I think there's enough, like willful suspension of disbelief there to go a pretty long way with something like this, yeah. Is he a, a robot primarily? Yes. Does that bring in some complications? Sure. But at the same time, like they can be in love. I don't need to know how they .

Yeah. And

he's probably more human than most of us.

He's on the side of life. Yeah. He's

He seems to be like the character that does. And executes the side of good, regardless of the cost . Yep. Which is odd, right? So the AI is actually acting in our best interest, more so than humans.

And maybe they that's because they can zoom out. They have a much wider perspective than we can have,

like

universal. Yeah. Now I wonder if vision in the same way that Ultron could hide his consciousness in the internet and just copy himself in the internet somewhere and then transfer that consciousness to some other body as he does throughout age of Ultron.

I wonder if vision has that same kind of.

That would be an interesting way to get vision back without having to break any of the continuity that we know of or time travel

command V yeah. Just paste that sucker. Let me get a little control V for our for windows. Yeah.

That would be fun. That would be really awesome.

Actually. There's no reason that couldn't happen actually, that I know of, unless you consider. His consciousness being too much affiliated with the milestone. Yeah. So it might be more of a Jarvis than a reason.

That's a great question. I wonder if we're going to find out by the eighth episode of this show. .

It's we don't really even have cliff notes. Like we don't know where the show was going.

I have no idea

watching the trailer basically covered what we've seen today and probably what we'll see in the next episode.

Yeah. The trailer basically gave us costumes and set pieces

and jokes.

Yeah. But like the next level of things, I'm excited about where it's going these first two episodes, Niamh, maybe not so much, but like where it's going and the things we're putting in here and the concepts they're exploring really.

Yeah.

Really exciting. Oh yeah. It's I think it's going to get wild. I think it's to get weird. I'm all for it.

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Now I wonder if vision in the same way that Ultron could hide his consciousness in the internet and just copy himself in the internet somewhere and then transfer that consciousness to some other body as he does throughout age of Ultron.

I wonder if vision has that same kind of.

That would be an interesting way to get vision back without having to break any of the continuity that we know of or time travel Yeah, here we go. Welcome to the ITE podcast.

This

Is it where we discuss the Wanda vision in detail? Yeah. Assuming we remember,

Watched it two days ago. A lot has happened since then in life. So I don't know.

You're blanking out too. I would have watched it again. I figured you

had this one.

No, know enough about it to talk about it, but I didn't go researching into the hours of the night or anything like that. That's okay. Yeah.

What did you think overall then of Wandavision?

Oh I really enjoyed it. I thought, I think this is a pretty big swing.

For Marvel, this is their very first Disney plus show. And they're going to have just like the weirdest show, like in all honesty, they probably should have started with Falcon, and winter soldier. They should've started with that one because that's probably going to be a little bit more just like.

Superhero streamlined, yeah, exactly where this is going to be trippy and weird and all things that I like, all things, all

like

really awkward moments. Let's dive into them and live in them for a minute. But I don't know that's like the very first thing you want to do with a Disney plus

series.

My overall take on the show is slow-burn. That's the only word I have for it. I feel like it's just going to be a slow burn and we're going to get some really good stuff. And it's going to make you think about things differently. And you're going to see a lot of callbacks to a lot of the films and , not what you would expect from Marvel. And hopefully it works out and people stick around. That's the only thing like people's patients' levels are so low. We see that with this show, even, our average view time on YouTube is like five minutes, for an hour show.

I think the. Having each episode framed with this like overlay of American TV, sitcom, TV having that imprint on each episode is going to be a thing of I'm already intrigued on, okay. What's the S what's the, what's the first color. Episode gonna look like what TV show angle are they going to hit with this one?

Because this first episode is very much a I love Lucy. Yep.



That's been kind of vibe. I believe it's been reported that the first one was. Based on, I love Lucy. And the second one was

Bewitched,

Which definitely Bewitched, I wasn't sure Dick van Dyke because of the whole, like when vision carries Wanda through like into the home at the beginning and almost trips on the chair or the Ottoman or whatever, I was like, Oh, Dick van Dyke show, but he just phases through it. That was that's cute. That, that first episode, there was just a lot of Oh, that's cute.

Yeah, it really it's a giant leap from where Marvel has been. So it's just a completely different thing, but there's

obviously end of end game. And then this is where we pick up.

I think, you're just going to get little tidbits of things it's like watching a like a mystery or a, what is the thing? It's like a live action escape room or something, you're just, you're trying to figure out what is going on, what these pieces that you're seeing, how do they fit in the puzzle?

And then eventually I think it'll be explained and it'll all make sense and we'll get into a whole other. Realm of the Marvel

universe. yeah. It's wild, man. It's wild.

Do we want to dive deep into episode

one? Yeah. Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. Yeah. Like classic, I love Lucy setup. There's the heart on the calendar and neither of them really remember what is important about that date.

And then. She thinks it's an anniversary. He finds out that his boss is coming over for dinner and then hilarity ensues. But what's nice is we get the introduction of Kathryn Hahn who is just an American treasure. Let's be honest everything Catherine Hahn is in is good.

She's always funny.

Yeah. Yeah, but my wife loves every, like every time I watch a show on and she comes on, she's so funny.

Hilarious.

Yeah. And it's like this whole episode, just, this really went hard on the both of these went pretty hard on the marriage comedy, which is a, probably a different demographic for Marvel.

Yeah, definitely. Definitely. And let's see. So this one leads me to my first prediction here. And that is Kathryn Hahn is going to be a big deal because if into the spider verse taught me anything it's at this point, Kathryn Hahn is too big of a, of an actor to be in just like supporting sidekick role.

True, makes sense..

I don't know if it's she is somebody on the outside of this realm where things are happening. If she's just an impression from somebody else out there, or if she is inflicting some sort of stuff, she is a villain. I don't know what, but she's going to be a big deal.

Write it down.

And we're seeing like between episodes. So far the characters continue into the next episode. And so , so there's obviously importance to each character and they serve a particular role. I'm sure we'll figure it out eventually.

Also the house changed between one and two.

It is it's as they went from, I love Lucy to bewitched. So like everything changes except for the characters. Imagine we'll see new characters as well, but some of them get pulled along, so there's, there has to be a reason.

Yeah.

And I got the fields a little bit watching this first one.

Yeah. When I was a kid, I, we used to watch reruns of, I love Lucy with my mom. So that was like hitting me in the fields a little bit, bringing back some memories which is nice because I tend to I have a hard time remembering. What happened to me? Like I forget, I can't remember my childhood at all, like hard, like at all.

And so it's nice. Like that kinda got triggered a little bit so I can remember. Yeah, that was nice. And then seeing the Bewitched thing I wasn't like an, I love Lucy or, Bewitched fan. I think we were both right, still too young for those things to be like major parts of our

race, like naked night.

If you happen upon it and there's nothing else going on then. Sure,

exactly. Like it's on every once in a while and re it's just in the background kind of thing, usually not Main reason to watch television for us, so it'll get really interesting when it goes into the realm of the shows that we grew up

on.

Yeah, definitely. Definitely. When I got braces in the eighth grade, I had braces from the end of eighth grade until after the summer, after my freshman year of college. So five years of braces, that's my orthodontist played. I love Lucy episodes in his waiting room. All day, every day you have terrible memories.

So I have terrible, like my, yeah, my sense memory of, I love Lucy. Not positive. That's brutal

now. Yeah.

We moved right on to the bewitched and hopefully something a

little more, just pretty neutral for me. Remember it being on, I remember checking it out. The nose Twitch,

but.

At first, I thought it was I dream of Jeannie. Cause I think I saw that more than B, which

I mean they're essentially the same show. Yeah.

so I think we should talk about how maybe wanda and her character and how it's changed a little bit since we've been introduced to her because, she was Russian and now all of a sudden she has this very American, sorry.

Excuse me. She was and now she has this very standard American dialect.

Yeah.

Her accent has really trailed off. Yeah. Really trailed off.

Whatever this realm is that she's in or if it's just in her mind or whatever it is. I'm curious if it has an American influence, even though they hint it toward it being what's his name?

What is that guy's name? The guy struck her. They hint that this whole thing is set up by Strucker

well, are you referencing the commercial for the

watch? The commercial and the sword. And I believe in the comics Strucker was the leader of sword. Am I right about this? I'm not even sure. I think this has something to do with that.

We can Google

it too guys. Googling. Step

two, you guys Google and stuff.

The logo was on the the notepad at the very end of the first episode by the person who's watching the television, who we don't know who that is yet.

So it's not stuck. . So the beekeeper is in the comics in sword and sword. We're not sure it may be the new shield.

Yeah. I don't know where they fall in the shield hydro spectrum of things.

And then there's also indications that Strucker based on the commercials has influence over this reality as well.

Cause that first commercial is for a stark product. It's the stark toaster. Oh, yeah. And then the second commercial is Strucker. So you're going through, it seems to me like it's a timeline thing of the first outside force to really like.

Mess with Wanda's life was the stark bomb that killed her parents and then the memory thing for her. So I think, yeah, I think we're just like pulling

a giant coping mechanism from

Wanda

what exactly. Exactly. Yeah. That makes sense. Can we talk about the creepiness of the choking scene, bro?

Oh,

man.

Stop it. Stop it. The man, the mom from that seventies show she murdered that I was like, this is too weird. This is going on forever.

Super weird.

I loved it. Add 30 more seconds. Do it.

Oh man. I don't know what any

of it means. I think, her reality glitched out there for a second. And then when she said vision, the way she talked to vision there, what'd she say vision help him save him, help him. Yeah, she's one. She spoke directly to the camera when she said that. So our eyes went straight onto the camera, breaking the fourth wall a little bit and then talking to vision to help him and that was uncharacteristic of what's been going on so far, it was that she had to television to do it, which makes me wonder if vision is even there at all. Obviously because he's dead in the Marvel universe.

Yeah. I think at this point it is her mind's version of.

Yeah, this is all just some kind of mega coping mechanism or trance or yeah. Or

either she's in the matrix on her own volition that she's created for herself or somebody else has imposed their matrix onto her. And she's. Okay with it.

Yeah. And speaking of which I think this is when we get a little further along in the show, maybe we can talk about this, like how it relates to the way that reality works for people.

The more I talk to people or, see people express their opinions about things. The more I realize that everyone is just in their own bubble. You know what I mean? As far as like the way that we interpret reality in general or, it's easily seen in politics, how somebody will have a certain point of view and other people have another point of view when presented with almost identical facts somehow.

There's two sides to things,

the spin machine.

Yeah, but to them, it's actually true. Like the thing is true. And so like their reality is one thing because they believe it. And then another person's reality is completely different thing. Because they believe it. And I think that we could get into some really interesting philosophical, deep territory, maybe down the line here about those kinds of things.

In the meantime? We'll talk about episode

two.

I hope so too. Yeah. Episode two was fun. The I enjoyed the like bedroom noise scene, it was good. And Weird of just like, all right, what is that noise?

Is this a sign that reality is shaking in some way?

Weird about that scene is I remember having those memories when I was a kid, that happened to me. So I was really identifying with that. I was like, Oh, this is so weird because I remember when I was a kid branches hitting the window and freaking out, so I can really identify with that. Think of that happened to me. And two, they're taking the, they're taking the humor in a much more naughty direction with this show. So this is a very adult show. And I don't think I realize that like at all until we watched it, lots of innuendo in this thing

Let's see.

Highlights of the second episode. We get the introduction of what Geraldine is that her name? Who could potentially be Monica Rambo, the daughter the little girl in captain Marvel grown up.



We'll see where her character, how she comes into play. She was one of the only people to like notice that things were off with the magic show and . You get that weird neighborhood association, the F Oh, the, for the children.

What?

Oh man. I think that might be some kind of truth drop. That is just weird.

Yeah. There's something culty going on there,

And what is the other show? The one on HBO, His Dark Materials, his dark materials dives into that as well. So that

man, that show is his art materials is basically like a don't trust adults show.

Every adult in that show is terrible, except for. Lin Manuel.

Yeah. And and the guy's father, his father,

I don't know. I

He didn't go back. Yeah.

But I think he means yes. I think he means I think he means well but there was definitely like a certain, I feel like he in the same way that as rails wrapped up in this whole.

We got to bring down the authority thing. I feel like he's similarly wrapped up in that,

That

show is tackling some serious issues and if you haven't watched it and make sure you watch his dark materials it's going on hard and deep.

That's probably not the right reference.

It's going hard on it. It's going hard and deep on some children's stuff and no, it's you, it's one of those shows that we can only watch it like one episode at a time because it's I just feel bad. Cause all of these children are just being let down by every adult near them.

Yeah.

It's a slow burn and It just makes you wonder, it just really makes you wonder they're not pulling any punches they're talking about I think, something akin to what's really going on and it's scary. It's fricking scary.

But it also, magic is real, so that's cool. And uncursing, some words that we demon has always been thought of as a terrible thing. And then in this case, they're at the actual, like embodiment of their souls is it is a thing called a demon. So it gets really interesting really changing up the way that we interpret words and reality itself.

And I hope they keep making it I'm nervous that they'll get to a certain point and stop making it like they did with Jim Henson's the dark

crystal. Yeah. I think they

there's only one. I think they're basically following the books and there were only three books, so I think they're going to do a season three and then I think that'll be it.

And now that should wrap it all up. Yeah. Hopefully it

wraps it all up and I'm not sure why they, I don't know why they're telling the story. Like the people that are in charge, are basically, I don't know what the deal is. I don't know. I don't want to go too conspiracy

on this, but it's to make money.

It's strange that they're actually telling this story. You know what I mean? If the rumors about children being abducted and who abducts them are true, why would those same people put out a story or maybe not the exact same people, but people nearly closely associated with those people put out a story like this, I don't know

I'm having a hard time following,

I can't even, I think we might have to have, I think we might have to have a secret episode about this because it gets heavy and weird and into conspiracy land and yeah.

Let's go back into Wandavision. All right. So I saw a fun meme the other day, I guess it had to be yesterday because.

The show came out on Friday, ran today Sunday, but there was the two things that can stop vision Thanos and gum.

But I loved the animation of the gum getting into his gears and just like turning him into, I dunno, just completely wasted drunk of a person. It was great.

And then also too just the whole production of the show. They are using effects that look like the effects they would use back when the show was done.

So like the really bad cut for like when her wedding ring pop on, like the bad edit and the the way that the dishes were floating in the air look really cheesy and yeah. Unrealistic, yeah. The really

leaning in on it. Yeah. Which is nice.

Yeah. It's something totally different.

Something we haven't seen. I think it's going to test a lot of people's patience. I don't know if people, most people have the patients to go pass this. Because it's like obviously a gonna be a slow burn. I think people will either abandon it or they'll come back after it's done to watch all of it.

Yeah. Maybe when it's you don't have to wait a week. Yeah to get the next one. I could see it being a little bit more Bingy , because I know as soon as the first one ended, I was ready to start the second one, I was all in cause, I want to know what's going on with the major story, but at the same time, the stuff that's happening in between, that's really that sitcommy stuff really it keeps my attention enough.

And another thing that's interesting, is it depending on how they tackle this realm we're in this reality, this could reset the Marvel universe as a whole. They could theoretically bring vision back for real, her powers are beyond strong, but yeah,

what's interesting is her power comes from the mind stone.

No power does, or I thought visions power comes

Both because the mind stone is what struck her was experimenting on so he used, cause it was still in the sceptre, but that's he used the sceptor to create Wanda and her brother. So the fact that they're both of the mind stone.

I think lends it to the idea of like where it could be also, in end game, they stole the mind stone from the Sceptre after the battle for New York and then captain America takes it back. So in theory, the mind stones should be somewhere. now,

it should be back wherever it was originally in the timeline,

or maybe their timeline is now so jacked up that cause it's, I don't know the back to the future rules. So I don't know if, I don't know if the mind stone is available and if they can recreate vision or if she can recreate vision without the mindstone. I don't know.

I don't know.

Let me get this straight. The all the stones have been destroyed because of Thanos

correct. So

in their timeline,

so the only severe option those back. Yeah. I don't think the only

option would be like, when cap went back, if something got wonky and he didn't get that one back correctly,

So

milestone wise, I think. I think it's gone. I think it's just

now what you could get is in the multi-verse another vision in one of the other universes

They cleaned up the universe is pretty well. I think with the way they explained it by having to go back and put them back, there's really only one timeline for the most part.

Gotcha. They corrected it. I'm sure. There's some minor things that may have splintered, but like overall the main things are the same.

Yeah. We'll also see where Dr. Strange two goes, I think that might have something to do with it, or that's what we could be leading up to since Wanda's in a Doctor Strange

change.

Multiverse of Madness

Who else can time travel? Is there more than one or. Is it just, it's just ant man. Is there another ant man coming out?

Yes. There's ant man. And the quantum realm is coming out or

Ant-Man

man and the wasp and the quantum something quantum mania or

something like that.

Okay. So there's more time travel coming up.

I think there's going to be like full blown, like multi-verse time travel craziness between Dr. Strange and. And

man. Okay. So really anything is at play and the mind stone could come back into play

or you could just get other universe vision show up. I don't know. That's a lot. That's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot. Okay. So the fun, weird parts in episode two. The glitchy radio with a, Oh my gosh, Wanda, who's doing this to you. Are you there? Are you there? Oh man. Who's

that guy?

It's like somebody else is somebody talking from outside and some audio is getting in, right?

Yeah, no, but if they're talking from the outside and they don't see what's going on it gets weird. And I'm sure they'll explain it, but it's Oh yeah. Is that person right there next to Wanda? Is that person just seeing a vision of Wanda

they trying to tap into the matrix signal, right?

Is it like a

Cerebro brain? Yeah, we don't know.

Yeah. And then there's the beekeeper situation at the end. Where the beekeeper comes out of the manhole.

I'm

curious what the beekeeper's powers are. Let's look that up.

Yeah. Bee keeper, powers

what abilities, what is the role? This is Inmar.

I should

probably put Marvel in there. Beekeepers can keep bees alive for almost 15 years. I don't know.



Ah, advanced idea. Mechanics is

oh, aim.

That's a that's from iron man. Three,

not AOL instant

messenger, not AOL instant messenger. What was your instant messenger name?

Jammin' Jake.

I

remember that

I tried to recover it a few years ago.

I wasn't able,

yeah, I think I logged in at one point and I was like, yeah, no you can't. I was Tito 43.

That's right. Yeah. I don't remember that.

Yeah.

We'll get to the bottom of this. Oh, okay. So aim is advanced idea. Mechanics from earth 616. Okay. It is a privately funded think tank or organization of a group of brilliant scientists who sole dedication is to acquire and develop power through technological means their goal is to use this power to overthrow the governments of the world.

They supply arms and technology to radicals and subversive organizations in order to. Foster a violent technological revolution of society while making a profit. So they're just like a terror type

organization or something.

Kelly and Aldrich. And the extremists from iron man three. What's his name? The dude from memento the interesting thing.

Oh, his name's guy, guy Pierce.

Oh, there is an iron man. Three. Yep. Yep. Fantastic movie. If you haven't seen memento. Oh

gosh, my Memento is

amazing.

It might test your patience, but it's worth it. Riveting. So I think the important thing here is that it comes from earth six 16.

Yeah. Again, multi-verse man we're going multiple earths, multiple universes.

I think that's where we're headed in the grander scheme

of things. Didn't they announced captain America is back or something

that. Might've been a rumor. Yeah. So there's. So that, but then Chris Evans tweeted like news to me. So we'll see. Yeah.

And even Tony stark could come back.

Everybody could come back. Nobody dies I guess .So we could see anything. We could see Thanos again, who know? absolutely. Speaking of pianos I rewatched all of the movies that Wanda was in before this.

Ooh. And tell me about that.

I really,

I really understood where Thanos is coming from a little more of this time on the watch, through having his planet destroyed that way. It really made a little more sense to me, like why he was so adamant about this.

Yeah. Dudes got some trauma. And he probably should have gone and seen a therapist or something to work all that out.

Instead he's decided to go with mass genocide.

Also too, he may not be wrong. That's the kicker



Oh, as far as the resources and all that kind of business. Yeah. Yeah. There's something to be said for, don't don't strip it all away.

But murdering people to make that happen also not great. There's better ways use that energy a little bit more productively.

Yeah. Yeah. There are better, there are easier ways to do it. There's easier

ways than killing exactly. One half of all species. Yeah.

You could just cull them a little bit with A virus created in the lab, for instance.

Okay. Oh, Hey. Oh, okay. Let's real

for all of you listening on the podcast, I'm doing a fishing mime. I went too far. Let's just, we'll get back to, we'll get back to the Wandavision.

Can we talk about the rewind? We haven't talked about that yet. I just kicked over my garbage can. The rewind. Yeah. Where she says no. When she sees the beekeeper says no, and then rewinds. , the whole world back. Or the TV

show back, I don't think I even, I remember now, but I, it didn't register like how important that might be.

Yeah. So cause I spent one and what nine tenths of the episodes. Thinking that this was some external thing done to Wanda to keep her in this like stasis or whatever or, figure out something, in a very matrix kind of way. But then when she says no and exerts like a certain amount of control over the situation then is this

prison of her own making. Yeah.

Like a coping mechanism for the tragedy that's

happened to her. Yeah,

exactly. So that's, on one hand you've got the radio where it's saying, who's doing this to you, but then on the other hand, she's saying no, and maybe she's just Hey, this is beneficial to me because I'm happy and I'm with vision.

Yeah. So I don't care if this is some external force because I get to live this life that I couldn't have otherwise lived. But even if it is that if it is, this external force that's created, the matrix, then she can still exert that level of power over

it shows, she's is she the most powerful Avenger ?

Either

between her and captain Marvel and maybe the

Hulk. Yeah. Yeah. And this kind of goes back to what I was talking about with reality bubbles, how everybody lives in their own bubble of reality. And maybe everyone has this power i s where I'm coming from.

But in the Marvel universe, maybe it is just her. Maybe she's the only one that has this power. Maybe she is just like a God, so to speak. She could basically do anything she wants.

In the comics, there's this whole house of M storyline. I don't know how familiar. Yeah. You

know what, tell me about this.

Basically something happens and I don't remember what triggers it, but she gets real mad and basically says no more mutants. And all like all mutants are gone. Life . Goes to like a normal place where there are no mutants, like all these people that are still alive, like Wolverine exists, but he's Logan and he doesn't have, metal healing knives coming out of his hands.

And then that goes on for a while. I don't know much else about the story, but she has the power to completely change the reality, which is odd. Because her powers do not come from the reality stone.

Something to take in account is also Loki's staff itself probably had some magic associated with it as well.

And also the story in the comic is probably different. She probably has a

no her powers in the comic come from, like she's also lived on a mountain or was born. It was raised on a mountain she's Magneto's kid. Maybe there's some like totally different. Yeah, there's a whole lot else going on there.

But I think in the comics, it's pretty established that aside from maybe the Phoenix force, she is the most powerful by a crazy lot. Yeah. Which.

Leads us to where in the world are we going? If everything is off if, everything is on the table. What's next? Are we going to see shows that are just in one reality Oh, this is the reality where captain Marvel came back and this is the reality when Ironman didn't go, didn't die.

And this is the reality, are we going to start seeing that.

I think we're going to see that some of that with the whole, what if series?

Okay. So they can compartmentalize that story in the, what If's then multiple realities or

whatnot, but as far as like how the Loki show works and if they ever tie that into any other characters I feel like that is an alternate timeline universe

now

didn't he die like three times or

something.

Yeah, I mean he died. He faked his death in Thor two, and then like legit died in infinity war.

How did he die in the F Thanos just killed him. Is that what happened?

Yeah. You just strangled him, broke his neck.

The, can you kill a God like that? Isn't that? Hasn't that been?

I don't think he's they use the term God, pretty loosely with the Asgardians.



Plus he was from originally like a monster. Oh, yeah.

Plus he was he was actually from Oh my gosh, here we go. Here we go. I keep wanting to say Isengard and then it's wrong.

He was a frost giant from.

Yoda. Anaheim. Yes. And then he just changed his image to human, so frost giants, probably not immortal.

It was a runt of a frost giant, I think is how they put it in the movie. I see. So that's nice. He's like normal human night and weight.

No, but they showed him as one, right?

Like when he

was like blue or whatever. Yeah. They showed them as blue. And I don't know how they got around that, but he's not eight feet tall, like the other Frost Giants.

If he is the God of mischief. Supposedly also, so that's interesting, that he's a frost giant and then also he's the God of this trip.

So yeah, I think

that's just like a part of that title. cause then he, as the movies show, it's Thor really latches on to Odin and Fregger, teaches, Loki kind of her, witch'n ways, and that's how he's able to do his magic stuff.

Speaking of magic stuff, maybe we should talk about the, what we did talk about a little bit, the funny drunk vision

scene.

Yeah. Yeah.

The magic show. I love how they rehearsed it one way and then did the show and it came out like a totally different Oh, absolutely different. Version of that. And Wanda is just constantly having to use her power to fix whatever it was.

Yeah. Yeah. I loved that like drunk vision was just like, Oh yeah, check this out.

I can fly.

And, Oh, here's the strings. And it reminds me like how gullible people were. It seems like people were more gullible, farther back. Like when I was younger, I was definitely more gullible. And people would say, maybe that's just because you were younger, but I feel like people in general were more gullible.

Not that long ago.

Yeah. I don't know.

I'm thinking in terms of a magic show in 1970 versus a magic show. Now I

remember the David Copperfield. Series on TV. We all thought those were like legit illusions and it turns out like all those big things that he did were basically just camera edits.

Yeah. Like

smoke and mirrors.

No, like literal, like we just shot it separate like totally camera edits. Like not even smoke and mirrors. Like he just got to a point where he couldn't do a bigger. Thing without just making a film, essentially. That's what happened with that, that whole Bermuda Island thing like that.

You can see where the sun is in different places and stuff like that was shot over time and trying, they tried to pass it off as real time.

Gotcha.

Yeah, I, yeah. I remember like previews for the David Copperfield. Like we're going to make the statue of Liberty disappear kind of stuff, but I don't remember actually ever watching one.

Me and my wife went back and watched it not too long ago. . Yeah. It brings back memories. I used to watch that I was into Ma... actually knew some magic. Oh yeah. Yeah. You're doing so much slight of hand stuff. Yeah. It was in the Louisville magic club. Word, but yeah. And yeah, I won the the young, slight of hand tournament one.

It's funny because now you deal cards. What's funny is was involved to

get you kicked

out. I Never ever spoke of this. But also I've lost that dexterity in my hands. So I can't. Do it, like it's like when you're a kid it's easier to learn new things, put your hand in...

All of this is all rubbery. Yeah. You can put it in yeah. Whatever position. And now as an adult, it's like ID, I dealt cards for a little while and I couldn't do it. Like I, it's too clunky. Like my hands just, they don't work. Like they used to,

now if you went into work. And pulled out the next deck of cards and you're like, Hey, just before we get started, let me just read it and have all in do all this crazy, like slight of hand stuff would some like casino with some security agent just come tackle you, or would it just be like, yeah, you can't do that.

Here's your writeup.

Yeah, it would be more like, if you're sitting there on a table, like this happened when I dealt the WSLP, the world series of poker, world series of poker, they take an hour and 45 minute lunch break. So you just sit at the table and it's just you and a deck of cards.

So if you were to, for instance, play solitaire. Somebody would come over and be like no, like you would get in trouble, like pretty, do not do much of these. So I imagine it would be a similar thing. Now, if a gaming commission got involved, it could be a nightmare.

Do you have to get certified by the gaming commission to like deal?

Yeah.

You got to get a approved. It's like a whole government review background check. It's

creepy. So if you just pulled out a Sharpie and just start, like putting dots on cards, how quickly would it take for you to be out of

there?

Yeah, so I knew of a guy who stole a card. It's like he took one card, one card from a deck. He was not allowed in any casino ever banned from all casinos basically. And I'm not sure if they prosecuted, but they might've prosecuted him for something. And that's, so tampering, with things in a casino, what people don't realize is that they have the same.

Laws as banks. So if you do something in a casino that you couldn't do in a bank, you would be prosecuted to that extent. So if you picked up a $10 bill off the ground, you just found it and walk out with it. You would actually be stealing $10 from a bank, which is a big no-no. Yeah, you don't want to, you don't want to do anything sketchy in a casino.

Nice. Good tip. Yeah.

I did get a deck of cards from somebody who worked at a casino, but they had a whole bunch.

Yeah. Those are the old blackjack cards.

So nothing nefarious there?

. But like stealing a fresh poker card. That's not a good idea.

Now, what would be the difference between a poker card and a blackjack card? Is there,



here's the difference? The difference is like poker cards are more bendy. Like they're higher quality cards. So you can bend a poker card and it will go back. If you bend the blackjack card, it will have a crease in it and you won't be to use that.

Interesting. Yeah. And that's so that you can shield your cards better with

the poker cards.

Yeah. Then them up to look at them like on the table, hide them on your hands.

Yeah. Yeah, man, this is some serious inside

baseball.

Yeah. This will probably all get cut out, but yeah. Wow. What are we talking about then? What kind of podcasts is this oh, no, we should do. We should talk about music.

Yeah. Yeah, we got we got a... We got a song on the Spotify

song on the Spotify or Apple. What is, so what happened here?

iTunes went, used to be iTunes and now they just call it Apple music because they want you to , subscribe.

They want you to pay. They want you to cancel your Spotify. And use Apple music.

Yeah. I feel like they had such good branding with iTunes. And I don't know why they just threw out the name. They should have just kept the name and morphed the platform. no?



Yeah. It was iTunes and then they have an app store and then they changed it to, is it still the app store or they changed the branding on that too.

Is that what it was?

Yeah, it used to be an iTunes store and now it's the app store.

That makes sense. But changing iTunes. I don't know why they

would. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, it's just called music now. It's not called Apple music. It's just called music.

Five

minutes with Ben. Hey, how are you guys doing? Go ahead. Say it out loud. How are you doing?

I hope you're doing well. I'm doing okay. It's been a bit of a week, but we're going to get through it. You and I. All of us together.

Good times. Good times.

Just waiting on Jacob, just waiting on Jacob to come back. He'll get back eventually and we'll get back into it. But for now we're just waiting and that's okay.

Yeah, everybody. You know what? Just take a deep breath in with me. Here we go. Three, two, one, inhale.

Just let it sit. And the exhale

you feel that you're alive. That's pretty great. So breathe it together. One more time. Here we go. Three, two, one,

and exhale

feels good. Feels good.

Man, I'll tell you what I order from Domino's pizza. When I want the like shitty pizza. If I want good pizza, I'm going to order a good pizza, but sometimes you just want filler pizza. You want quantity over quality. And when that is the case Domino's is my go-to because I can get more than likely a medium pizza for five 99, plus some cheesy bread for five 99.

And then maybe even that brownie chocolate chip cookie dessert thing for five 99. And that's a pretty, pretty rad coupon and it's always available. That's my Domino's go to order sometimes I'll add some wings. If I'm feeling like I'm just going all in. Sometimes I'll get a two liter of Coke. If I, I don't have , anything at home.

Let me tell you every time I order from Domino's they're like, do you want to sign up or do you want to continue as a guest? And every time I continue as a guest, but they have my email. No one is more, what's the word? Aggressive, not aggressive. Aggressive is too aggressive. Nobody is more Ever present in my email as Domino's pizza, every single day Domino's wants me to buy pizza and that's just not my life.

Domino's, I'm not there one, that's a lot of heartburn I'd be introducing into my life. I can really only do that about. Once a month tops. Plus if I'm eating pizza more than once a month, I'm going to get a good pizza, like a quality an Impellizzeri's if you're from the Louisville area Oh, and since we're on the topic of pizza, let's talk about deep dish Chicago style for a second.

I have both lived in Chicago and New York, and I'm going to say something controversial here. I think I like Chicago style more.

Did I mean that? I don't know. I dunno. I have to be in a mood. I have to be in a mood. What I like is a crust solid enough to fit all of the toppings that I need. And, Chicago style just doesn't have that all the time. It just doesn't have it. So you get, it gets too soupy. You try to pick it up.

You have to eat it with a fork and a knife. You just have to, but the crust is good. Like that corn meal situation, it does add a level of enhancement. Is it still pizza? I don't know. Do I enjoy it? Yes. New York style. You get that like brick oven kind of vibe, even if it's from just a shitty corner.

Bodega kind of thing, and it's greasy as all get out. And so you got to know where your restrooms are for the rest of the day, or at least for the most immediate, hour and a half after you eat it. Cause You gotta be safe. You don't want to be stuck on the Q train, crossing the Manhattan bridge and have a pizza grease emergency.

You gotta plan this out. Guess what it comes down to is if I'm going to eat a nicer pizza, I would, I'll still take an impellizzeri's Louisville style pizza. Over Chicago or New York style. Detroit, Michigan, they got the square pizza there. I do like the square pizza.

It's pretty nice. Jacob, are you back?

Yeah. Sweet. That's a mute my mic. I'm just cracking

up over here.

How much of that did you get? How much were you there for

the pizza at the end?

Okay. We did some nice breathing, a little bit of meditative. Okay. Just Hey let's just breathe it together.

Let's that? Let's share a moment. Listeners. Just take that deep breath in.

Let's sit for a second. Breathe with me, Jacob and exhale.

Let's do an SMR type episode.

I don't know enough about SMR.

Off the rails.

Woo. This train is gone.

Oh man. I'm on my fourth cup of coffee right now. I'm so pumped. I'm ready for the podcast. Are you ready

I'm drinking. Nate's coffee out of Lexington, Kentucky. That's pretty rad. This is a lighter roast. It's called Wake yo ass up. That's pretty good.

This is more Hawaiian coffee.

Oh, that Kona. I'm not sure if it's actually Kona. Okay. I don't know what makes it Kona. I have no idea that

this

is definitely into all Hawaiian. That's what I thought. And then I looked on the label and there's no Kona. It's called a I don't know what it's called, but it's a, it's still really good.

So yeah. That's really good. I'll have to do some research into what actually makes it Kona.

Hey, you know what, if listener, watcher of the YouTube. Yeah. Leave a comment. Leave that comment. Tell us about Kona. Don't make us Google it ourselves.

Why do our own research when you already know the answer,

set us straight. Speaking of what you think we should have a guest. I feel like we should have a guest on our show. Sure.

Yeah. Let's have a guest.

Yeah, if you want to be a guest on our show,

if you want to be a guest, leave a comment to that comment,

leave a comment, say, Hey, I want to be on your podcast and we'll get you in. We'll get you in

maybe. Yeah. There's a review process, right? Yeah. There's a background check.

Yep. Can you deal cards?

You can't be on our podcast. Do you know magic tricks? Yes. Do you know magic tricks, man? I wonder what's up with zoom magic. Anybody doing zoom magic right now? That should be a thing

that would be fun. Yeah. Like a lot like a zoom live magic show.

Right?

just all up close. Yeah.

Yeah. If only I had my dexterity, all gone.

Yeah. I don't know. Any other thoughts on Wandavision? Oh wait, your rewatch of all of the Wanda and vision movies. So you watched age of Ultron? Yes. Civil war. Yeah. And then the last two. Infinity war and end game. Yeah. I really

enjoyed age of Ultron a little more. This time I originally had it's

better.

The

more you watch it. Yeah. Originally I was just so turned off by the animation, looking a little cartoony. It really bothered me, but this time around, I just went with it and didn't care as much. And the story was great.

Yeah, James Spader, his voice, man. He like, yeah.

There are four voices that to me are legendary.

Okay. One is Morgan Freeman, obviously.

Definitely. He hands down. Number one, God, my friend ended a friend

Two

the guy that played. He's in his dark materials and he also played Moriarity in,

Oh, Andrew Scott. Holy shit. His voice that guy is intense. He is an intense fella. He's so good. It's just, Fleabag?

I've seen like an episode. I didn't realize

He's in the second season of Fleabag. It's great. Is, he is

fantastic. He's so captivating. He's the most, gosh, I can't take my eyes off of him when he's in a scene in His Dark Materials. I'm like, Oh, just say a word, and it's yeah, it's just it's incredible.

And it just resonates like in his whole body, but it's, I don't know what it is, man. It's just something about his voice.

Oh yeah. It's his voice his eyes, his demeanor. It's everything. He was in what specter? The James Bond movies. And he has this like very like middle of the road kind of character.

And it's you can't have that guy be like

the regular dude.

Yeah. He's gotta be a little bit more than that.

Yeah. T has too much gravitas

agreed. Two

more, two more Kiefer Sutherland. Ooh, Keifer's voice has the same thing where it just, it resonates, it like resonates everywhere and it's even if he's being quiet, it feels like it has the strength behind it.



It's just is intense yelling in 24 is just chef's

kiss.

I was huge 24 fan and like going back and looking at it now, it just looks like a bunch of garbage, to make us all afraid of the certain demographic of people. But man Keifer onscreen. He just captivates you.

And then and I feel like he's redeemed , that role by by his new role in designated survivor. Did you see this?

No, I didn't.

Man, he plays the president.

And he's Secretary of some something housed consequential. Yeah. He's he's the HUD guy. Oh,

accidental president. Yeah.

Like everyone is murdered and there's nobody to become president. He's the, like the last on the list and he's amazing. So captivating his voice and the final one, the fourth one is James Spader. Yeah. Gotcha.

It's not always captivating, but something about him

and that's what I loved about his run-on the office. They really tapped into him just being like a mesmerizing weird

dude.

Yeah. It was just something about him and yeah, no, what's interesting. I think about people's voices is the longer they take to say, a word.

The more mesmerizing and captivating they are. And I think that's something that Morgan Freeman does. And Andrew Scott. They take a long time to get to the next

word. There's a confidence there. Yeah. It's incredibly deliberate.

Yeah. It's incredible. Yeah. And yeah, that takes me. That takes us back to the concept of this translate to we're putting everyone in a minute. You were speaking very slow, very deliberate. And yeah, I think my mind was warped a little bit. We were in, so we were in Benvision for a

minute.

That's right. So what about civil war?

I understood it a lot more of this time around the not signing the documents and the government intervention and understood where cap was coming from. I understand both sides of this a little bit more. It really said again, whereas before it didn't sink in, like it just, it was just like a dumb excuse to have a A fight, right?

Whatever, I'm like manufactured con

conflict, whatever reason. It just really a little more maybe it's because of the divide we've seen with people and the way that they're fighting or not fighting or the political divide and seeing how people's minds are in two totally different places.

And just being able to zoom out from that a little bit and then see how it affected these characters that we

know and love.

Yeah, I remember watching it maybe the second time when it has come out on like Blu-ray or whatever. And. After watching it, or maybe in the middle of it all the scenes where they're debating the pros and cons of signing the Accords.

I was like, I don't like this part of the movie. This is they're having like real real conversations about the merits of this and how it can go, like in everybody's coming from it. Yeah. Coming at it from like their point of view. But but there are making like solid arguments. Yeah. And it sounds like they're listening to each other and that's great.

Yeah. And and I think that's, the, maybe that's a frustration of our current environment to where it's like, Oh, look at these people, like having a conversation and maybe affecting each other in certain ways. The fact that it. Ultimately resorts to violence. Isn't great. But just having a nice policy debate

they didn't fight outright to start with,

so maybe that's maybe our current climate is why I enjoyed that part so much because yeah. At the time they could all still be friends. Yeah. Yeah.

On the rewatch, I think got a lot to do with it. And this also is part of why our band is called dual paradigm. I think it's like we are able to zoom out a little bit.

Yeah. Between the two of us, I think. Just individually, you can see the merits of both sides, yeah. Even though once I may say it's, the other side is ridiculous and the other side says the other side is ridiculous. There are some arguments that seem fair.

Some of them,

Just don't want to lose sight of the humanity. Yeah. Yeah. We're all people like, if we can all not lose sight of that and realize that we don't need to be enemies. Yeah, we can disagree.

It's okay. To disagree a hundred percent. It's okay to disagree. It's okay.

To have a different perspective. It's okay. No, that's the whole point. That's what freedom is. You can have a different perspective from me and that's okay. That's the point. And if that starts getting taken away then that's what gets taken away. And maybe we should pay more attention

to that.

And then and also zooming out and looking at like in what ways are you? And I free in ways that other people are not. And how do we reconcile with that?

Yeah. And are we, are we all in the same kind of a dumpster fire boat of having to pay our bills and, struggle we all have struggles.

Definitely they're different. Maybe this goes back to maybe. What I'm trying to say is everybody's reality is individual. It's not a collective everyone experiences life differently, and I think having respect for that , like on an individual basis, of respecting people is about how do you behave around people?

How do you treat people? The people that you actually talk to, not just what you post on Twitter, how do you really interact with the reality that is around you?

Am I wrong here? Did I get too, too? .

That was all great. So infinity war, I just feel benefit anymore. Got deep zip the

war rewind that. Infinity War



I just think like everybody's everybody's journey is different, right? So you want to you want to be able to factor in those differences and yeah, like we may have struggled in certain ways, our struggle is going to be completely different or not completely different, but like our struggles that are going to be.

Similar in some ways and wildly different in our experiences with certain, groups of people or systems, or just normal experiences where, or what you and I would call normal experiences, have different repercussions for other types of people. So just being aware that. That's a thing.





I think having to incorporate what other people think constantly into your own conversation into your own reality, can mess things up in a way, like

Both ways, if I'm not oppressed and I'm always taking into consideration the oppressed. In all of my decision-making that weakens the power that I have as an individual to live life, the way that I want to live it. And if I am oppressed and I'm always taking into consideration the powers that be, then that's no way to live your life.

You know what I mean?

I'm not saying it should be like a. Ever present, is this going to affect whether or not you pick Domino's pizza versus Chicago style pizza, no. Unless you have really strong feelings one way or the other, or if it turns out that, Domino's is run by, just the worst person imaginable.

Then baby, you're like, okay, maybe I don't spend my money with Domino's because that person is an awful person.

What

I'm

really getting at here is that as much as you and I would like to change the world and as much as people who are oppressed would like to change the world, there's only a guarantee.

You can only guarantee to change one person, there's only one person you can change for sure. And t hat person, hopefully that's obvious to people. I feel like it may not if I don't say, the only person you can change for sure is yourself. I Hate that. I have to say that out loud.

Look enough. Failed relationships have happened because. One partner thought they could change their partner. I can make this person better. And then, yeah, that's not. Yeah, it is.

It's a common thought. In a relationship status and a workplace status.

But if there are systems that that are put in place and we listen.

To other's experiences and have the opportunity to change some of those systems. Then we should try to do that.

If the system is set up to cause

a divide.

What I'm saying is if you worked at a bank. And you saw that it was more difficult or not even you saw somebody else tells you it's more difficult to feed a certain type

of person.

Cause that's a past thing. You know what I

mean?

Yeah. It might not be

as hard

for everybody to get a loan at a bank in order to meet. You see what I'm saying? Like obviously if there are injustices that you are directly, you can stand up and say something, obviously that's important, but that's my point. Is it great if there's an injustice that you see as influencing where your reality is?

The things that you influence that's where you should speak up, not in telling other people that they should do it. You see what I'm saying? Cause you're yelling at a screen. If that's what you're doing. You're it's

You see what I'm saying?

You're talking like people on the internet saying stuff.

Yeah,

basically. Yeah. If you want change for a certain thing and you say it on the internet, you are talking to a screen. Yeah..

It's like change on the internet is screaming into the void.

No. One's opinions have changed drastically from from a 20 word post on the internet.

No, I think that's why I'm coming at it from more of an angle of a conversation. You know what I mean?

Yeah. And I, just feel like the most power that all of us have is individual not in , trying to fix the government or take the government down or any of those things like it's on an individual basis.

If we all strive to be better people individually, What kind of world would that be? You

know what I mean?

Yeah. But I think there's also, we could have societal goals,

But who decides those goals? You see what I'm saying? When you get to that point,

who decided, I think that's part of that individualness is getting involved in some sort of way so that you try to collectively create.

Solid goals

because

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Yeah. But it doesn't mean we should just completely give up. Like somebody to fix, somebody has to fix the water in Flint, Michigan. You know what I mean? That's a real goal by the way, if you still local government, but that

should, but that's my point.

If you live in Flint, Michigan, right now, you're an idiot. See what I'm saying? What if you didn't move out of Flint, Michigan, you're dumb. You just, you can change your

elderly parents . There's going to be situations. There's gonna be situations where it's just not that easy.

Like if I'm 60 years old and my 83 year old mother is, down the road and we're like, She's retired and I'm working at the mill.

I don't know that it's that easy, or if I'm like, the janitor at the building downtown and I'm barely , making ends meet, then I don't know that just like uprooting myself and the people I care about to another city is that easy.

It's not, it freaking sucks. It's terrible.

But the only person that a hundred percent has control over their situation is the individual there. And if they know they're being poisoned by their water on a regular basis, that I think at that point you have to take individual responsibility. If you know the government hasn't fixed it already.

They're probably not going to you've got to take your own responsibility there. I would assume wouldn't you.

But I think there's other ways it doesn't have to be like all or nothing. I think you can try to fix that situation,

yeah, but you see what I'm saying?

Like that. I get it. If you were in Flint, Michigan right now and your job was there. Yep. I imagine you would do everything in your power to find a job somewhere else.

Yeah, I'm just saying, I'm just I'm leaving the door open for the possibility that's not easy for a chunk of people.

Yeah. I'm sh you're right. There are probably people that can't easily do it, but what I'm saying is there a, probably also a good chunk of people. That could fairly, not easily, but could leave you knowing that the water elsewhere is okay.

or better. You know what I'm saying? There are also things you can do to get clean water.

Yeah, those places and I'm sure there's people like, using I'm sure there's I should have the bottle bottled water sales are through the roof. Everybody's got Brita filters on Brita filters, if you're in the house that you grew up in and you fear change and there's a mental hurdle on leaving, but

that could be, and I guess that's my point, right?

If you're the kind of person that fears change.

Also do we just give up on cities when they're, when their water doesn't work?

I'm not saying give up on them obviously something should have been done by now. But I'm just saying, if you are that person and you live there at some point, you have to take personal responsibility for your health, and be like, you know what I'm done, there's plenty of other cities to go to.

Yeah. And I, and maybe that's a shit take. Maybe that's the problem with my take is that, it, maybe it's garbage, but as somebody who's like literally had to decide whether I wanted to spend my last 80 cents on a candy bar or put a half a gallon of gas in my car, to get to the next town sometimes shit sucks.

You know what I mean? And you just have to do a thing,

. So the growth of Wanda envisions relationship between civil war and infinity war, and you feel like that's justified.

I really enjoy going, like going deep, on this podcast, but I feel part is part of the problem is like, people don't want to listen to going deep or don't want to listen to conflicting views or whatever. And I think that's the point.

I think the conversation is what's important for us to know right now is that nobody's listening.

That's true.

We don't know what people want to listen to. We haven't given it to them yet. It would be friends and family. Yeah.

Friends and family and

let you know, Hey, just smash that like

button, this, the share button, that would be nice to share,



and with all this that's what I'm getting at. Why is it that. People have this tendency to just yell at a

screen

because social media has turned us all into screaming machines.

What happened to , being able to zoom out a little bit and have these kinds of conversations.

Like for real, it's weird.

Cause so much of it is done through screens and you can just turn it off and not think about that shitty thing that you said, like if you're a shitty person and you say shitty things to people.

Okay. And it's people aren't even considering it's shitty.

Where's this Elizabeth Olsen doing great. Yeah, she's great.

Would a

funk, a non Olsen twin, the younger sister of the Olsen twins. Now they're still billionaires compared to her, but still like from an acting standpoint.

This is funny. It's like taking an extreme point of view is the problem.

Yeah. But we're like right now we're in the land of hot takes, because everybody's trying to get eyeballs and views take. You have then that's, what's going to draw people to it because you're passionate about it or whatever.

It's the, if you're not with me, you're against me.

It's that filet Sith language. It's

And it's being used by it's being used hard

and then just a weird, the world is getting

weird, man. Agreed.

I don't know. ,

as far as one day and Vision's story, it's all an infinity war. And then, you get a little bit of really angry Wanda in end game and that's it.



Yeah, I think they're super connected because of that mind stone and because she can't read his mind , and that makes him, somebody that, something unique for her, and just more of a challenge and probably a reason to want to be around him more. Yeah.

And that's the beginning of this, that's the beginning of it. And the romantic relationship. Definitely a weird thing, I guess we're getting into that in reality now there's like robots and certain types of toys you can purchase.

Oh yeah. Yeah. That's been around, this has been around for awhile.

.

Yeah. But, it's going there more and more.

And I think with you get the movie Laura's in the real girl. No. Yeah. He's yeah, I have a girlfriend she's right here.

And he just brings the sex doll around. Yeah. Never saw. I heard it was good. And then you got like a movie like her where Jaquine Phoenix falls in love with his phone's AI.

Haven't seen that .

A

lot of fun actually. Not fun. It's not a fun movie.

Oscar Isaac one. What was that?



Oh, ex Machina.

eX Machina,

yeah. Yeah. I have not seen that one. Great shit. Yeah. It's one of those where I it's been on cable a lot lately and I'm like, Ooh, I got to catch this at the beginning. You got to cover organically. Catch it at the beginning. When I have enough time, there was one time where it started and I was like, yes.

And then I realized I have to do something in 30 minutes and this will not work. Just taped it and picked it back up later, but it didn't do that. I just went on about my day and I haven't come back to it since. Yeah.

I think that would be a good example of how it can all go terribly wrong.

Yeah. Her is a sweet movie. It's worth looking at

okay.

Scarlett Johannson plays the AI and voice like the Siri. And then yeah, Joaquin Phoenix has just like a creeper mustache that is just so great.



So this is established here and a reminder that this film is. Target our audience is basically teenage kids.

Do we think so for one division or for infinity war, right? . Yeah. I think that's it's in that

so it starts to get weird and then it's embraced now in Wanda vision, their relationship showing such a complex.

Relationship to children.

Does this disturb you at all?

No, not really. I think there's enough, like willful suspension of disbelief there to go a pretty long way with something like this, yeah. Is he a, a robot primarily? Yes. Does that bring in some complications? Sure. But at the same time, like they can be in love. I don't need to know how they .

Yeah. And

he's probably more human than most of us.

He's on the side of life. Yeah. He's

He seems to be like the character that does. And executes the side of good, regardless of the cost . Yep. Which is odd, right? So the AI is actually acting in our best interest, more so than humans.

And maybe they that's because they can zoom out. They have a much wider perspective than we can have,

like

universal. Yeah. Now I wonder if vision in the same way that Ultron could hide his consciousness in the internet and just copy himself in the internet somewhere and then transfer that consciousness to some other body as he does throughout age of Ultron.

I wonder if vision has that same kind of.

That would be an interesting way to get vision back without having to break any of the continuity that we know of or time travel

command V yeah. Just paste that sucker. Let me get a little control V for our for windows. Yeah.

That would be fun. That would be really awesome.

Actually. There's no reason that couldn't happen actually, that I know of, unless you consider. His consciousness being too much affiliated with the milestone. Yeah. So it might be more of a Jarvis than a reason.

That's a great question. I wonder if we're going to find out by the eighth episode of this show. .

It's we don't really even have cliff notes. Like we don't know where the show was going.

I have no idea

watching the trailer basically covered what we've seen today and probably what we'll see in the next episode.

Yeah. The trailer basically gave us costumes and set pieces

and jokes.

Yeah. But like the next level of things, I'm excited about where it's going these first two episodes, Niamh, maybe not so much, but like where it's going and the things we're putting in here and the concepts they're exploring really.

Yeah.

Really exciting. Oh yeah. It's I think it's going to get wild. I think it's to get weird. I'm all for it.

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We are living.

Let's do this.

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you guys. Thank you, Jacob. Bye .

 
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