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WANDAVISION Ep5 Review: Wait…do timelines matter? | ITE Podcast E16 

 February 8, 2021

By  Is This Entertainment

A Wandavision episode 5 spoiler review and analysis. Full House predictions...

We also answer the age old question of "How many staircases do I need?"

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Transcript

So it could be, let's bring them in, let's do something with them and then let's wreck it all and bring in the new X-Men like, why not?

We have the Wanda who seems to have all this crazy powers and we have. Whoever else that can bring in the Festo and be like, ah, I'm the devil. Why don't we just reset all this or whatever and

let's bring in Hugh Jackman for one last ride.

That'd be

insane.  three, two, welcome.

a welcome you are currently listening to is this entertainment, the podcast. The podcast.

That's my quest

for more money,

This is episode 16. And yeah, like we kept going and yeah, I kinda didn't want to , at some point, like the numbers weren't really going up for a while and I was just like, what the, what are we doing?

And. It's just, I'm really glad we kept going because they're finally starting to go up and new listeners. Thank

you for being here. Hey, welcome. Welcome new people. .

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, my wife said, just keep doing it. She's don't stop, , you're doing something, yeah. And I don't know. It means a lot to finally get a little bit of recognition back, we're doing something here, Ben, and it's fun.

Yeah, absolutely.

I was doing a thing the other day and it was like, list your website. And I was like, Oh, I don't have a website. And then I was like, Oh, wait, the podcast has a website. That's got a website. I have a website. , yeah, you do. Yeah.

Before we get into the wine division guys, new listeners.

And thank you. So we've done three different kinds of shows. We've done music shows and we've done entertainment

shows, TV shows, TV series, and movies. . Oh, I guess we did talk about wonder woman. Yeah. We don't mess with that stuff. Yeah.

So it's a little bit it's peppered in there.

So we did , born yesterday show , which was our band back in the day. Early two thousands. And so if you haven't listened to that, go back and listen to the last podcast because , we interviewed our bass player from back

specials, special guests.

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may be having another special guest, which we're 90% sure we're having. But I, I don't want to say yet just in case, but

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Now we can talk about the wand division now. I think one division,

boom,

let me

switch screens. So we are we're in the eighties.

We're in the eighties now.

, this was like a, what do they say? Like family ties type.

Beat. Yeah. So it had a family. The intro was the, what do you call it? The

house. It reminded me of it. Didn't family ties have a house like

that. Yeah, it's very family ties, but then it's also very growing pains.

I would say it's 50 50 on those, especially with the, like the painting of the color, adding the color to the black and white picture of them. That's definitely, family ties. Yes. Okay. But then the showing, showing the pictures of them as little kids getting older and that's grown growing pains.

Yeah.



The only thing I remember from family ties was Michael J. Fox being in it. And I don't remember right. Like any actual thing from the show and growing pains. I remember a what's his name? Tony Danza. Like being in the show. Was that okay then? I don't remember.

That's who's the boss.

No, I don't remember.

I don't remember anything. And , yeah. So tell me about growing pains.

Growing pains was Alan sick and , Not Judith light. Judith light was on who's the boss. What was her name? Oh gosh. But it had Kirk, Cameron, Kirk, Cameron was like the smooth talking oldest son. Here's.

Here's what's interesting about growing pain. Alan Thicke in the show, Alan Thicke wrote. Theme songs for other sitcoms. I don't know if he wrote the song for growing pains, which is super catchy. I wonder if

this theme song,

this was the great theme song.

,

very impressive.

But as we get into this episode, they pull a lot from growing pains , which, growing pains pulled a lot.

From other things, but there's a lot of, there's a lot of tropes that a lot of eighties family sitcom, tropes that get dug up on this one. But ,

yeah, I think we should talk about this here. This situation right here, this Agnes mass here,

Magnus. Oh, and this is even before this is the cold open.

This is so we have a full reality break before the theme song starts.



So vision told her not to take care of the kids. Yeah. But she was like, wait, am I aren't I supposed to take care of the kid or whatever? Or hold it. Yeah. It's just what

are you? You want me to hold the kids the way she breaks? It like goes from like happy, happy Agnes to basically Kathryn Hahn, like incredibly neutral.

I don't know what to do here. Do you want me to take it back from the top? And then back into it once , man. Kathryn Hahn. She's an American treasure is

great. . This has been like a magical role for her. And when she breaks out of that moment, it makes you wonder if she has her own autonomy as well.

If she's not completely mind controlled by a Wanda, if she has the power to not be controlled, is she the one in charge of everything or as we've seen from a clip from the next episode, don't bring it up. Don't bring it up. We saw a clip from it, but we don't know what she is.

We obviously have no idea, but something is

different on the idea that she is. I won't go as far as to say she is in charge. , I don't. Yeah. I don't think Wanda is in charge of the hecks.

No. Yeah, as we see later, she's she mentions, do you think I'm controlling all of this and she seemed right.

Very

sincere about that. Yeah. And while . I'm not fully on board. That Agnes is the person that's in charge. I'm not saying that .... I don't know. I think it's a, I think it's a, I think it's a 50, 50 even split, but I think it's a higher percentage that she is involved in some sort of way in the overall dynamic.

The internet keeps screaming, Murph . Emma Festo is because Marvel's version of the devil.

Interesting.

If a Festo is involved, then there's a chance that she's demon or something, like a right hand something or another , like that could be a thing or some kind of witch, because as



Scarlet, witch, hex, so something is off it's more off. We're still not sure what it is. Yeah.

, the sensors are more and more often it's happening at a clip now, man. Yeah. So that freaked me out also. What's interesting about this scene before Agnes comes in, Wanda tries to use her magic on the twins and it does not work.

It didn't no, that was , she's I'm I, it's probably not a good idea to use circuits. What did we do? And nothing, them kids were still crying. Yeah.

They have full autonomy. , they're their own thing for sure. Which is strange because their power is to grow older.

I'm sure they have other powers.



. Yeah. So the kids are crying and then they decided to just completely age up.



So they disappear out of the crib and age up and then.

Kathryn Hahn seems to be on board with it , Oh, it's fine. , yeah. So fast or whatever. Oh yeah,

absolutely.

Sure. Like it just makes you realize she's more and on it then.

Yeah. . I don't know if that's a conscious in on it or if it's just like in their brains, Wanda or whoever is telling them.

Ignore all the weird stuff, just go with it.

So the kids.

They disappear from the crib and reappear over by the stairs at the age

of five. I'm willing to accept the idea that they aged up and got out of those things where nobody was.

Oh, they just crawled

out. Okay. So they're not telling

me okay with, yeah I don't know that teleportation has to be a thing. I think it could just not be shown.

Yeah. They just grew up and climbed out and walked around. And it was just a misdirect for us, the audience,

right?

.

That's creepy. We've never seen that before,

right? Yeah. That's not on the list. We've

Seen it where ant man travels back in time and instead he gets younger, older. True. So seeing that , but like them doing it on their own

totally weird, totally different. . And the little, like the little like eye checks, where they like take a look at each other, check it out and like subconsciously agree.

Okay. It's time to age up twins. Yeah. . Yeah. Because they're not. . So maybe they've got some, , some telepathy situation for sure.

Yep. So we get the intro music, which we just talked about. And , then a dog appears in the sink.

Yeah. So

did the kids call it all appears? They said it was outside PRI it's true. True. And then all of a sudden we cut to the dog and the sink doggy paddling, what a bad joke.

Did you ever have a dog? Grown-up

yeah. Yeah. Do you want, whenever it's sunny and

and toy poodles. Barely sunny was the golden one and Bhutan was the Brown one.

Yeah. We had a poodle and a lab at one point. And the poodle was named curly. And I think we named the lab Mo yeah, but we didn't have a Larry.

Yeah. Before that we had a Cocker spaniel named

Buffy. He peed all over everything.

He was a dude. , yeah. Oh, man, gender neutral. Let's be honest. It doesn't matter their dogs. Is it a boy or a girl? Who cares?

It only if it humps your leg or whatever.

But , no, we had a girl dog that would hump. Yeah. So it's just whatever.

Okay.

Back to the back of the episode. So we saw them grow up to five and it just like a few moments later, they decided, Oh, let's be 10 because you can't have a dog until you're 10.

So you also get the moment where where Agnes walks in with a dog house and vision calls it out, basically saying Nope.

We have a problem in here. Comes Agnes with the solution. Again, this is becoming a pattern vision,

which makes you think maybe Agnes is the one that put the dog in the yard.

Maybe Agnes is involved, man. , yeah.

Do you have to get the dog in the yard to get the kids to age up more? If she's trying to manipulate what's going on.

The children, all that

stuff. There's no kid's vision points that out later there's no kids in the neighborhood. This

is the most creepy episode, I think like just the weirdest awkward. I think if it hadn't gone back out and zoomed out to sword at all, it would have just been so weird,

,

It would have been probably too much, but they didn't, they, they zoomed out for sure.



Let's talk about it. Yeah. , yeah, we see Monica getting , some sort of scan done. I don't know if we know exactly what type of scan, if it's like a brain

scan looks like. It was scanning her head. It looked like an x-ray machine, but I don't know why you would, yeah.

I don't know why you'd want to x-ray your head. It doesn't seem like that.

Smart thing to do. Now,

keep your head away from the microwave people. But yes, they said it was empty blank and then they were just like blank. She was just like, whatever I'm,

yeah. Ain't got time for this. In the comics, she does have some powers.

So is this the beginning of figuring out like where her power is going to come from?

Is it that, or is it Wanda controlling her mind or is it something else controlling her mind or blanking it out or is that's, I don't know. This just seems like something. You don't just gloss over, right?

You have no brain.

No, I think the planting a seed for something larger having to do with Monica. So I'm anticipating that seed blossoming into the flower of she's powered. Super Monica. Yeah. Super Monica,

super Rambo. Yeah.

And she's still very much on Wanda's side, during this person she's very sympathetic.

Yes. Yes. Whereas, director, whatever his name is. That guy. She's a massive mess. She is a weapon of mass destruction,

right? His point of view makes sense. Considering what's happened, if you take things into account,

I would just have a little bit more leeway for the person who just came out of the thing.

That's your primary source of information. So dismissing her ideas. Probably not great.

Trying to just murder her,

right? Yeah. Hey, we got this drone let's drop that bomb.

It makes me wonder too. Wouldn't want to have noticed there was a drone with a bomb on it and turned it into a balloon or something.

You know what I mean? , Or whatever that hex thing is like it should have, or maybe it just wasn't a bomb, maybe it was , something,

all the techniques, all the technology was from the eighties. So it didn't have to be changed. Did we

have that technology in the eighties though?

No, man. They said, the dude said I know this thing's from the eighties, but can we, cause I don't really remember it

being a thing until the two thousands.



. Dude said it was from the eighties, so

he said it was so we'll just go with it. I do want to contradict the show. This was a weird one. This

one, this was haunting, man. This was haunting. Super creepy. Weird. But we got vision. Yeah. We got vision at the , at his workplace, which you think.

You think this is the big move here. This is them working at this data's spot.

This is the new news that we get, essentially for this episode, find out these people are in pain. It's not just Oh, we were my controlled and we had to do this.

Is.

This is serious.

This dude's gonna, he's got whatever, it's got to worry. He's worried about his dad, any, it doesn't know how long he's been in this dream state

and in pain. And I think that was the big takeaway

which lends more credit to the idea that it's maybe not just Wanda doing it. Because I don't think even , as much. So she just misguided by her grief or whatever. I don't think she would willingly want to harm people like that. .

And there's also an element of , maybe she's the engine.

And something is amplifying her, , I, yeah. I don't know. I don't know.

I guess we go weird every episode. So I might as well go you're here. But when my mom passed away , I would dream about my mom. Like every night it would be a dream and it would start out great.

And then everything would just melt apart. It'd be terrible. And , that happens like over and over for months. So like I get, but this show is obviously just they even said it in the show that it's about grief, , and you're right. So if that dream that I had, but it came into reality, it would have been some kind of messed up weird shit like this, so whatever it is, it's just her subconscious, like you said, being amplified or something like that, ,

So yeah. Is this outside force controlling the whole town and she's just filling in the gaps or is she plugged into some sort of amplifier situation that is creating the, I dunno, but we'll probably find out

Oh, we should talk about,

is they went back to the old modem. They used the, Oh yeah. The dial up internet. Yeah. Gosh ,

yeah. I remember waiting like three minutes. That was the fast version

of it. Yeah. It took two and a half minutes to connect.

Yeah. Yeah. All right. Just wait, just waiting on this page to load and then we're going to

read it.

And you had to wait for an image to appear like.

Yeah, just like one line at a time and it would just like slowly file in. Oh gosh. Yeah. And now if it takes my phone more than a second to load a page, I'm like, what is wrong with this app? Close everything out. Start over again. Yeah. . The times

change, should we mention anything else worried about this office?

Because there was a little bit going on. So the fact that sword made contact with the inside.

Yeah. I don't know if that was, I don't know if that was with them. Yeah. It was a

letter they just to too, maybe they intercepted it or,

yeah, I feel like they just intercepted something I think vision just tapped into something that was out there.



Maybe, I don't know. Maybe they were trying to contact

them, I don't know. And then everybody laughs at the end of the email. Oh God. And they said it out loud. Yeah. That

was super . Creepy . Yep. So have we seen vision use this power before?

No, I don't think we've ever seen him directly tap into somebody's head. Yeah.

So he's like unplugging them from the matrix.

We've seen it in, we've seen it in Ultron because . He puts his hands on an ultra on his head and that's how he burns them out of the internet.

I see.

Okay. But we haven't seen him pull people out of the matrix, the hacks, so to speak. So then they have a second of clarity and then he's Nope, you're too

much trouble. We'll go back. Nope. You're freaking out too much. Yeah. It just puts you back to sleep here for it.

Yep. Yep. Back over your eyes and move on.

Moving on along here, you don't need to see this. You don't need to

know what's really going on. . Yeah. We'll solve the larger problem and hopefully , that'll say you'll be all right later. Hopefully. . Oh, so then also we get the, we also get the conversation with Wanda about , with the twins about , where the twins are calling out the weirdness of why is dad going to work on a Saturday?

Oh, yeah. And she's no, it's Monday. And they're like, no, it's Saturday, because your powers don't work on us. And we are seeing things as they are. So why did daddy go to work? , it's just, yeah, it's going in on that. Like they are not, they're not under the veil. They are just living it.

Yeah.

They know what's up and they have their own ability to do, but they want,

, we also get the dog dying, ran out of the gate ,

Yeah. In Agnes bushes. . How convenient?

.

Yeah. Agnes is a part of things, man. This is part of things. Did he dance also? Too much smoke for there. Not to be fire

on a total side. Tangent. I had no idea that azaleas were actually toxic to dogs. Did you know about

this? No, I didn't. I didn't realize it was an Australia. Bush. Yeah.

It's a thing. Yeah. Yeah. Does that get said as alias? Yeah. Yeah. Is there a crazy, I don't know if there's any meaning in that, but man,

. So she's just back there, like murdering the dog. ,

ah, yeah. So then vision, Barry's the dog. And then that's what leads to the conversation of, Hey, what the F Wanda, what are you doing?

And it looked like for a minute, they were about to throw down, but to have some fisticuffs, they both were flying in.

Before we go past, like the dog dying is like a symbol of basically what's happening to Wanda. Like that is like an external

representation of the entire situation is the , The love for a thing. And then the death of a thing and the grief that she's going through and 30 seconds, like this is the thing that's really going on here. And this is the represent patient of it,

which is why by, having to explain it to the kids, it's helping her get through it.

Yeah. It's like therapy.

A weird version

of therapy for her. So maybe, yeah. Don't use your kids. Is there be there? People don't do it.

Oh, maybe whatever's going on here is actually really trying to help Wanda. That could be a whole different twist. Wow. Yeah. We're just trying to get you out of this grief so that you can be

the, which that we know you can be here, whatever.

Yeah.

. Then we get the, ,

Confrontation. We got to the confrontation , visions, basically Hey. , things are weird. And I talked to my coworker and he is under the belief that you are controlling his mind. So what's the deal. Are you doing this also?

We get some key, moments of him not remembering anything before Westview, like that gets blocked in and him trying to deal with the fact that like he does not know. Sad. He died. That's probably important for him. But then we also get, once they calm down, we get the conversation where she says, I'm not controlling everything and.

I believe her right there with you. I also, so don't believe that. We get that security footage , visions, body getting taken , while we're in the sword compound. And, I must assume that she knows that he did not want that, that it was in his will, that his body.

Stay hidden. So the fact that she broke in there and took him, makes me think that she's under, somebody's spell there. I don't think so.

Her grief is that heavy. , you lose somebody that close to you. You want them to come back, you would do anything. And if you really have that power or know how to get that power, this makes me think that.

There was a break in time, right? Those stuff we didn't see. So she went and she got visions body. She may have had to get like more infinity stones or something to bring him back. Like it may not just be just the one

which is in this world. There are nurse in this world. There are no infinity.

She's obviously done something, to increase her power.

Or am I missing something or did she all along, had the power to bring it back?

The scene with Monica and Jimmy and Darcy, where they're basically going through, Hey, her powers came from the mind stone. She could have beaten Thanos had a knot, brained, all those missiles down on everybody.

And then of course , we get to the line of, Hey, it didn't catch the Marvel. Also get her powers from the, and Monica shut that conversation. Yeah. She's probably mad that, her mom's best friends. Disappeared for a long time and then came back and then disappeared for a long time again.

And then probably wasn't around winter. Yeah. Mom died. I believe there's some, probably some resentment there. ,

yeah. Captain Marvel, like we should maybe do a captain Marvel review because like it's a very controversial character , MCU wise and just her as an actress too.

And.

So I'm not aware,

there's like a whole saying the internet, canceling people. There's a whole thing, like a backlash against her. She tried to start a YouTube channel, like a YouTuber, yeah. But it was like, this just had this pretentiousness, like fakeness to it.

You know what I mean?



And , What am I trying to say? Pretty Larsen. She made a YouTube channel and it got like all this press, like the full PR release. So like her nurse videos got millions of views or whatever. And then it just just went usually when you do YouTube, your stats go up.

So to see them just crash, , must have been disheartening. And , yeah , I don't really know a lot about it, but I do know that movie also is polar rising as well in the same way that maybe the last Jedi is polarizing people had like very mixed feelings about that movie.

And it's the same thing. There's some good takeaways in that film and. There's also some lightweight what, so like I'm going to have to go back and watch it again. But yeah, we could do a whole thing on that. It's a point.

Yeah, sure.

I know, but the whole Marvel universe hinged on that film, even existing, if that doesn't occur, then. Thanos would have basically one,



it's, it was like, Oh , let's add a Superman type character. We don't have one know. And that was her. And all of a sudden that in aware,

, if her character didn't exist, they would've just had somebody else.

Do some stuff. It's not it's not like they would be like, All right. Let's make end game and the bad guy will just weigh in and that'll be,

yeah, I think like from a storytelling standpoint, they used her , Oh, let's make this invincible character. And then you just, her as the way to defeat Thanos really quick.

Yeah. But they also, she was gone for four, five. So the movie.

Yeah, exactly. That's the problem. She just shows up. Oh yeah. By the way, I'm here. Sorry, a bunch of you might have died, , and all this stuff blew up.

I'm here now. Yeah. , I also think like , that movie was a culmination of so many things and , it really was a last ride for iron man and captain America and Thor to a lesser extent.

You can't have your new people, completely dominate this movie. That's,

we've been following. Tony Stark's story since day

one. We'll get more her and, later on down the road in theory, we would've gotten more Chadwick, Bozeman, as black Panther, some

Marvel news that we didn't even talk about to do it like a whole, was that doing the whole show?

The black Panthers. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be cool. What

you just asked black Panther and then you're going to do a walk-on

dish. Yeah. In the comics , his sister takes over the black Panther mantle at some point. So I think they'll just give it to Sherry.

She was like a nerdy scientist type.

Like why are they going to give her the

I dunno,

superhero the mantle. I don't know if that's weird. That's not really in line with her character. It doesn't seem like as far as like in this universe, she's

nerdy, but once the fight starts, she gets in there and starts, shooting people with her, like with their fun right.

Palsy. So she's not

The other guy that fought for

that, that , , what does that yeah. Yeah,

I could see him being black Panther more so than.

Oh, , yeah. It could be a thing where it rotates, and th I think they have a lot of possibilities. .

Oh, guess what time it is, man?

What time is it? It's time for

me to take a break. Oh, let's see. Right back. Sounds good.

Yeah. Here we go. Hey everybody.

It's just you and I, again, you and I.

Oh, man.

All right. So here's my thoughts. This episode of one division is very much an eighties episode, in that growing pains, family ties kind of realm. So in theory, the next episode should be in the nineties. So that's the case.

What are the top 90 shows? Talk in TGF TGIF consisted of

perfect strangers for awhile step-by-step and full house. Who was on full house The Olsen twins, the older sisters of Elizabeth Olsen Who's on Wandavision. So if you're telling me that they're going to do a nineties sitcom trope episode, if Elizabeth Olsen. Doesn't say you got it, dude. At some point during this episode, I am going to be livid.

It's right there at this point. Her career is in no way based on her sisters, their careers are in no way. At this point even influenced by television film.

I'm sure they still got residual checks on residual checks on residual checks, but that's not where their heads are at. That's not where their world is anymore. They're doing their own thing and that's cool. Live your life. They've made enough money to do whatever they want. So there's , there's distance.

I don't, I, , if at this point in life, a quick nod to full house is upsetting. Then, what are we even doing? She has to say, you got it dude. She has to, it has to happen.

Otherwise the writers of this show have failed.

Then everyone has failed. They've done a great disservice to the world. That's what I'm saying. That's it? That's it. In a nutshell.

All right. It seems fair.

Yeah,

she has to say it. She has to say it. Come on. Or there has to be some subtle reference to the fact that her oldest sisters were a part of, one of the most beloved 90 sitcoms ever.

I remember coming home from school and watching full house. I remember that.

Really it was on like every day or something or reruns or something.

Yeah. My after-school show was , saved by the bell could not get CBS, CBS would run like four episodes, rip screech.

Couldn't do it. I watched a few episodes , the only thing I remember is screech , Maybe it was too real for me or something.

I don't know. Maybe that two year age gap in us is where the cut off. Yeah, a whole

different whole different paradigm.

So this episode of Wandavision does. Two things that the 80 sitcoms really dived into. And I wanna expand on that for a second. The first one is the aging of the children. No. Get back here. Put us both on screen, but this is us having a conversation. Yeah. I want to get into it with you

in

my mistake. Yes. , so yeah, , the trope of in one season, there's a baby being born and then the next season, that's a, full-blown like three-year-old right.

Walking and talking, saying lines.

Yeah. Being cute. And it totally irked me as a child watching these shows where I was like, no way, because full house.

Now full house, Michelle, she aged in normal time, but then uncle Jesse had twins with Lori Loughlin and they were babies. And then all of a sudden they were bowl cut toddlers. Yup. And I was like, I did not see this progression and my continuity g ene in my mind was like, Nope, this is taking me out of it.

And that says a ten-year-old. What was your vibe on that? I ,

like the only thing I remember are just the Olsen twins, just, I don't even know, like making jokes and laugh tracks going off and , that's my memory of eighties television, like laugh tracks. Gotcha. Laugh tracks.

. And then being like, that whole studio, audience vibe, everything was like in a house, the Cosby show type thing. In a house and people talking and

One of the awesome parts about these shows was that a lot of them had the two staircase house when there was the front room staircase, but then there was like a back like kitchen staircase and the Huxtable house had it.

there was the stairs. There was the stairs in the back of the kitchen. And there were the front stairs, same thing with different strokes. They had a spiral staircase in the kitchen, and then they had the grand staircase at the entrance to their apartment. Full house had it, they had the stairs up to uncle Jesse's spot in the kitchen, but then in the living room they had like the grand staircase.

I think it's just more a function of needing a staircase. That's not in a shot.

You also need like multiple entrances and exits in all of your sets. You gotta, you can't just have people entering from the same door every single time. So I get it as a why that happened, but it implanted in my mind a need to buy a house that has two staircases to have a house with two circuits.

I don't, but there's a house. There's a house. I'm looking at it right now. It is across the street and over just a little bit. And it had a double staircase and an amazing kitchen, but it was also like $25,000 more. , and not significantly bigger, but bigger to the point of there's no justification for us buying this house.

And my wife was like, look, I know you want the double staircase. I know that about you. I know that it's important to you. But we can't justify buying this house. If we already had three children, this would be an amazing house for us to have. But we don't. We don't necessitate that amount of space.

We don't need. Three and a half bathroom. Yeah.

We keep looking at houses in Thailand that have three bedrooms and three bathrooms. That's what are we doing? But I need a room you need like maybe two rooms, and , yeah. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. And it's we could live like for a third of the money we're living on right now.

If we just go, let's just get a one bedroom, but it's like what? We could spend the same amount of money we're spending right now and get like everything the pool rent, the three

bedrooms, the bathroom,

It's so tempting.

Absolutely. If you end up seeing a house that has a grand staircase in the front, and spiral staircase in the kitchen, you get that house for your buddy Ben Owens.

Here's the problem. Some of these houses do have two staircases, but like they'll have an outside staircase that goes up to the roof or something, and then interesting like apatio on the roof, like thing , yeah, man, there's this interesting designs that are not , what we're used to , that are really kind of unique. So who knows what we're going to move into we may just be like bums for a minute and , just get something teeny. Yeah. And

then you don't need to get the forever home right now. , exactly. . Yeah man, aging kids up double staircase.

Growing pains also did the age up. Cause they had a baby and then they upped it to , to some toddlers. See,

I remember the Tony Danza. Wasn't this was eighties, right?

Yeah. That's who's the boss, Tony Danza. Who's my boss. I'm talking about growing pains.

They had a character side character. Kirk Cameron's friends name was boner. That was allowed. That was the loud on national primetime television to have a character, a high school character named boner.

, Richard.

Boehner is not a nickname.

I know what it is. Okay. I know what it is. I don't need an explanation of what

we've been talking about. We're talking about growing pains. Yeah, no memory of growing pains here. Let me get a single shot here.

, no,

No, no growing pains. They had. Mike Seaver. All right. Then they had Tracy gold. Then they had the third kid, I think his name was Ben, actually his character name. And then they had the daughter, which was the baby. And then she was led by a toddler. And then all of a sudden she was five years old and she was played by Ashley Johnson.

Now Ashley Johnson went on to be in a bunch of different movies and a bunch of different TV shows. She's currently on the, , what's that show called with the , where she's got all the tattoos that solve clues

tattoos that solve clues

tattoos and solve clues on NBC close, either way. She's on that show.

She, Oh

yeah. Know what I know what you're talking about.

Cause it's a girl from the first two Thor movies. Oh my

gosh. Yeah, my wife and I started watching that and then it just started like looping and repeating the same pattern. So

we watched the first two seasons and then we were like, this could literally go on forever.

So

yeah. I wish they would have wrapped up that whole storyline.

So Ashley Johnson, the girl who's on that show was in Marvel's Avengers.



She was , you remember the scene, , in , during the battle of New York, there is a cafe that starts getting exploded.

And captain America comes in and saves everybody. She's the waitress. And then at the very end of the movie, they're like showing clips of people talking to the news and she's captain America saved my life. Oh, okay. That's cool. Yeah. So growing pains to Marvel. Avengers.

We talk about how bad our memories are all the time, but , you're seems to be working.

All right.

Look, there's some things that just, I remember certain actors and what they've been in. So then going back to growing pants, they do the other sitcom trope that has been , lampooned by the Simpsons. It is the ratings are low. Let's add a new hip character.

So in the last season of growing pains, they added a teenage homeless kid that was in Mike Sievers class. And that was Leonardo DiCaprio. Wow. Yeah.

That's where he had to start.

Yep. And what other show , just randomly added , a new character out of the blue Wandavision.



Is that the one we're watching.

Yeah. Which character the very end. Oh,

quick silver. Yeah. .

, we got to talk about quick silver for sure.

Yeah. , this is wild, man. This is the X-Men Fox version

So this is real. In the X-Men version did they mention his sister?

There's a reference to his sister being upstairs, but they never show her as I think the word on the street was that the agreement between. Marvel and Fox was that . They could both use both characters, but then eventually, like they could do it once and then they would split them up and Marvel would keep Scarlet, which I also think, I think that Evan Peters version of it in days of future, past.

That kitchen scene was so strong. It was better. Yeah. Yeah. They were like, yeah, we're going to have to put, just bring him over. We're going to replace them. We're going to need the better

version. Yeah. He was a lot of fun. So his version of the character. Granted, a lot of it had to do with the writing as well, because it was two different stories, so the Pietro over here being from the oppressed and manipulated, whatever. It's totally different than the Pietro over there. There's just, a kid out in front or whatever.

But what's interesting is that, that character's introduced in the eighties. Oh wait. No. Is the seventies just kidding now that didn't work.

Okay.

Days, a few semesters in the seventies

But that , the part that he was in was taking place right. As the Vietnam war was ending.

So it's like a totally different universe.

Yeah. There's a lot of implications here because the scene that vision and Wanda were having was

her saying I'm not controlling everything. , I don't know how all of this started and him starting to believe her. But then the doorbell rings and she's I didn't do that. But every other time it seems like she was doing that with Agnes showing up.

And then , alternate

universe brother shows up and and that. Brings her back in line, I think



I think, in the same way that like, when vision is starting to figure things out in earlier episodes there would be the

going along with the, but

right.

So it seems like maybe she was starting to figure things out and somebody snap cutting her in the way that she was doing it to vision. I see by adding. Someone from a different universe, who is her Alternate universe brother? . Okay. So this which, yeah, the

multi-verse. So we have a lot to talk to the moms, a crap ton of stuff to talk about because the implications of bids are maddening.



Did he get just pulled out from the multi-verse.

Is it real at all? Is it a different actor? Like she even mentioned does it, Oh, . Did she just recast? Her brother did Magnuson, right? Yeah.

So you bring Aaron Taylor Johnson and at some point to be the real one, it could be a

huge,

we're ready. We're about ready. We're going to combine eczema and Avengers more. It could be. This is just somebody messing with her.

I think this is opening the door for some multi-verse stuff, which will then get explored in Spiderman three. And then also multi-verse of man, as Dr.

Strange, and days of future past, did they, somehow, after that, I can't remember the X-Men movies.

Did they pull them into current timeline at some point? So like with being next and all that.

I think the dark Phoenix movie is supposedly taking place in the nineties. I honestly don't think that Marvel will use those actors.

You

say that, but look

at what we're looking at here. That's true. That's true. I think it was a one-off for that.



Like. I could see. I could see us dipping in to seeing that a little bit of that version of the X-Men somewhere out there.

But I think , when we get like an actual X-Men movie, I don't think it will be those extra Michael Fassbender. Yeah.

Okay. Two things are happening here. One here's Evan Peters. Hello, to , There's been a rumor that there is a Luke Skywalker or size reveal that is going to happen in this show in one division, from what I can figure out

I don't know. I think Mephisto would feel like a Luke Skywalker typer reveal, even though it's a huge character, getting somebody from the X-Men universe, like , Patrick Stewart are getting, , or even just getting like Magneto.

What's his name? The guy that plays them now. The younger

one. Michael Fassbender.

Yeah. We could get a Michael Fassbender because that's her father somewhere maybe or something , in , some of the versions of Wanda,

he is her father in the comics.

Yes. Yes.

So we could get a Michael Fassbender situation because we did see a similar type of scene. In this episode where Wanda pulls everyone's guns and points them at the guy that's true in the same way that Michael Fassbender did in ,

which one of the experts that was in McKellen. , I think both of them did it.

Using that power to essentially do the same thing, have everyone else point their guns at someone?

So it could happen. Look, if they get Fassbender to show up and then they're like, Hey, guess what? We are taking the actors from the Fox movies and bringing them in.

So in,

yeah, it's I'm so it's already been announced. We're getting Deadpool and we're getting a

true roll. .

Ryan Reynolds. So it could be, let's bring them in, let's do something with them and then let's wreck it all and bring in the new X-Men like, why not?

We have the Wanda who seems to have all this crazy powers and we have. Whoever else that can bring in the Festo and be like, ah, I'm the devil. Why don't we just reset all this or whatever and

let's bring in Hugh Jackman for one last ride.

That'd be

insane. Would that be crazy if two Chapman showed up in this thing? Oh,

absolutely.

Just be like, ah, bring , bring Logan in here. One more time. I don't think there's anybody that's God, I can't believe they got huge Jacqueline to play Wolverine.

Yeah, again, c'mon everybody

upset about you?

Jacklyn is like every character, like when they cast somebody, there's always some controversy, but with Hugh Jackman, I think he was a little bit tall for Wolverine. So there was a little bit of that at the beginning, but then once we saw him as Wolverine, everybody's yeah, that's what we'll bring.

,

we watched , the really bad movie Hitman the other night. Oh God, that movie is terrible. . It's not good. The

potential is a lot of those games were good.

I never played them. So it was good in the game. That's what I don't get. He's not the dude to play that character.

Like too funny. He looked like him, but he's too funny. He's too funny to, to play that guy. Yeah. and like that guy takes everything Uber seriously, and I just, that's not all Olafant's style. No, but Doug Ray, Scott plays the Interpol agent in that movie and he is the one who turned down Wolverine in the first X-Men movie.

Leading the way for Hugh Jackman. So every time I see Doug gray Scott, I'm like, man, he could have been Wolverine. And would that have worked as well? I don't know.

They must've thought it would work if they cast him,

right? Absolutely. Yeah. But I feel of the original X-Men, series of movies, he was the bright shining star of those.

Obviously Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen, but as far as unknowns. , it was all huge factor. He became a gigantic mega star would the same thing have happened to Douglas Scott? I don't know.

So we're going to have some serious something, something is going to happen

even some more is happening.

Yeah, absolutely. I

think this is what Marvel needed, because we were basically at the end of the story with , end game, there was the , where do you go from there? So you gotta open it. Shakeup , in is required at this point, I think for a more significant , storytelling,

definitely.

We've got this storyline that, pass through, five, seven movies. I think having some things that are a little bit smaller, like three movies that are like super well connected. But aren't direct sequels. You know what I mean? It's not like guardians one, guardians, two guardians, three kind of thing.

If it is like one division leads into Spiderman leads into Dr. Strange, and then those three movies have this contained overall arc. And then the next, group of movies also has that thing. I think that could be an interesting way to tell stories, That is different from the whole phase, like phase one phase, two phase, the

next phase, but , , you don't have to have every character in every movie.

Like it can just be its own, a couple of characters here, a couple there. But still telling the story. . I'm just talking out of my ass right now at this point. No, you're

good, man. , that's what we always just refer to. Why have a podcast, if not to, I don't

know.

Like I, cause , I was listening to a podcast as sounded so scripted. I was like, Oh. It doesn't, it sounds like you're just reading off of a page. Why would anybody, the name I listened to this?

It depends on what they're there for. Know , if you're listening to , like our show is about like us talking about a thing, but if somebody , if you have a show that's like informative, like something like , cereal, where. Where that show was about, you've got somebody explaining this whole murder situation. Okay. We were talking

about , honey bunches.

Oh no,

that's an interesting podcast.

No S E R I a L serial. Look it up. It's one of the most popular podcasts in the history of podcasting.

Yeah, I should do some research. If I'm going to have a podcast, I should

listen to at least four podcasts.

Yeah. I was recommended the Lex Friedman podcast.

Never heard of it. Don't know who that ,

seems yeah, everybody's got a podcast,

oh yeah. There's a billion of them. There's a million out of pocket. Yeah. There's so many.

The cool thing is that

we have a

podcast. I know, it's crazy. But at the same time, we're not special. .

I do not feel special at all. I know , I'm glad I have this opportunity to speak with you on a weekly basis. It's a big relief ,

and this week 99 people heard us talk to each other. Yeah.



We're 49 people.

Twice because we had to buy gas. C'mon yeah,

we did have two podcasts, which is a thing. So let us know if it's too much are we overwhelming you 40 people,

but do anything to let us know? You're there like comment. Give us

five stars, entertainment.com. I'm Jacob, that is this our and with.com.

Send us an email.

We got our Twitter handles up here on the YouTube. It's right

there in front of you. You've been staring at this whole time. Just

leave

a comment in front of

you. Ah, man, that song could have been so good. Good events,

dude, because of that born yesterday episode, I've had fallen angels stuck in my head all week.

All

week.

Oh, , this episode was called a very special episode and I'm guessing that's because of the dog died.

It's not because Evan Peter showed up.

But that's the thing, like in the, in the very special episode , realm of family sitcoms.

The very special episode was because like some like vile showed up or somebody like drank too much alcohol or whatever. That's what all the very special episodes were about

these like tragic things. And then, at the very end of the episode, you'd have the whole cast, like sitting on the couch, being like, hi, We're the cast of growing pains, if you're struggling with alcohol call this donate some money, that's the root of all of the various special episodes.

So I was waiting for, some sort of like

a phone number to pop up

on the screen, right? The creepy, like array. Exactly. So then I'm like, okay, cause the dog died and that's the very special episode. , we're talking to make sense, pain and grief and all that.

If you, or someone, is six periods, a loss recently.

This number, yeah. Hey, there's so I appreciate this, I really appreciate the show, having lost a lot of family members , it's , No, it's therapeutic in a way,

definitely. Yeah. That'd be like learning how to grieve is exactly that learning. Like it's not something that you just automatically know how to

do.

. And it's a, it's an overtime process too. And I think that this show is teaching us that in a, in an somewhat overt way, like just even the way that they released the show, just when we hit a time, , grant it's like your brain needs a little bit of time to process what has happened,

oh yeah. It's a good show. I hope they do more. , I initially thought there was going to be eight episodes. But now I think I saw somewhere that it might be nine. I heard

somewhere.

Yeah. 10 even better. .

I'm not a hundred percent how many episodes, but I heard tonight

how many Mandalorians were there.

This is like the only other like Disney plus show that I've I dunno.

I could spend that much time. We got our two guys Googling stuff

too guys. It's about time. We're an hour in and we haven't Googled anything yet. This is insane. ,

so it says a season two chap episode eight.

So I think it was just eight. Okay. Yeah, just eight. So it looks like they want a little longer in the winter.

I did Google this earlier. The screen

is long as

Oh, dang it. You got Abby

so

it's so positive.

All the time we got H Sharon after and ,



Now we can play that. We can play that the internet will not care if you play that in its entirety.

Here's the deal that is something missing from television right now

that has 2 million views on YouTube

right now this era of television is so dark.

What happened? Where's the hope like we need hope right now, society. The world, all the wait, we need some hope and some happiness and every

show. I just think it's, I just think every child is

so miserable. Every show like

Is young Sheldon miserable.

Yeah, but

it's terrible. Zip was growing pains. Great. Is that great art? I'm just saying no, there's just so much more content now that we don't, why they're showing pains was on. There was only like four or five things. If you want to find positive stuff, there's positive stuff.

I would like Brooklyn nine, nine is an incredibly positive.

So the cops had last or Coco.

Fair Ted lasso to glass. It's amazing. It's uplifting. That's wonderful to watch that I have the Apple plus, which you know, sucks. Cause then you gotta buy one more streaming service , parks and recreation, man. I tell you, go

back and watch.

I might skip the first season and watch

that. Yeah, watch the second season and then go back and watch

the first one. We tried to watch Fleabag. We couldn't get through it, man. Is it, can I just skip to season two and watch a what's his name?

Sure. Yeah. Just once use the two. Yes. What's Andrew. Scott,

does he that good in that?

Or is it more like a different

case? So good. So good. . And everything he does is good, but I've never played a priest. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. She is in love with him. There's that?

Let you not be, I've never been so captivated by a man that my entire life he's

internally captivate. Yeah.

It's incredible. This guy, he needs to be in more shows because wow.

It's me at this point, that guy can write his own check. Yeah,

he should be in like major bill. Like why is he not a Marvel character? What do we got there?

City of what? This is my city of Pawnee. This is my parks and recreation mug.

Okay.



I have a coffee mug. That's how important this show is to

me. Okay. . I'll check it out. Maybe that'll be something that can keep us in a good mood. .

It's people working in local government having a good time trying their best. Yeah. How nice,

right?

Yeah. Trying to help people that didn't

ask for it. Look, try and build some parks. Yeah. Absolutely. It's fun. It's fun.

Oh my God. Where has this episode gone? I think we fell off the cliff like 20 minutes ago.

Disagree hard disagree, 10 minutes. This is gold. This is a, no, this is what the people want.



If he knows somebody out there that could benefit from listening to us, talk

to you, let them know just, Hey, do you think, is this a fun hour of listening enjoyment for you? If it is to somebody else, they might enjoy it too. Who knows?

We're here for you and you can be there for them.

That's all right. That's all right. You can be that person. That's Hey, check out this podcast before it gets cool.

Or before they stop doing

well, look, we're locked in, man. We're locked in. We got a couple more episodes of this show. We got our special guests potentially end of this week.

This is really exciting. I like actually doing podcasts. The things. Yeah, a couple episodes a week now for , two, two weeks in a row.

Wild. Yeah, because,

, we definitely always publish on Monday and , the second episode seems to be random , but it will probably come out Thursday night.

Marker.

And on that note

I'm ready to have my mind melted more next week.

Say, you know what? We didn't talk about. No, we didn't talk about shows that have recast people in the middle of their runs. I E Quicksilver and, the, the whole cast changing thing, I'm actively trying to think of an, another version of an of example

this is different because he was Quicksilver and another, you reverse. Absolutely. But changing actors, midstream, I think the Cosby show did it. There was some controversy with the mom.

Oh no, that was the

first Prince. Yeah. Fresh Prince. Did it? Yeah. Who else did it? I'm sure it happens more than you realize, like you don't notice some characters.

Oh, we haven't talked about , if you need another show, that's dark and you want your mind to get melted, watch American gods.

Oh, I haven't started the third season yet, but that show is an acid trip, man. Yeah. The

tools in the show are incredible. I don't even know how they come up with the idea.

I've never done acid. So I guess I can't speak to that, but from everything I've heard, yeah, it's an acid.

We could do , an American gods or viewed just like one off thing, because that show is whack. And I didn't even recognize the main actor. I thought it was a different actor. The way his hair was thought, Don I was like, what is going on? They like totally color graded them different or something.

. . She just had three different show runners. Like every season has been like a different show runner. So I think they've had, because Kristen Chenowith didn't come back after the first season and they were setting her up to be a big deal



She was Easter. Oh,

that's right. Yeah. Yeah. That was a big deal. Yeah. And they just,

and they were like, don't worry about that. Yeah.

Nothing to see here. Couldn't renew that contract.

Yeah. When , when the first show runner left, she was like, yeah, I'm not going back. Oh, it's same thing with them.

Gillian Anderson from X-Files she was media left. She was what she was media in the first season. And then she was what? That the God of , media, like TV and film and stuff, she was dressed up as I love Lucy in the first season of Julian

Anderson, she was in the TV. Okay. Yeah, they didn't bring

it up. Yeah, then she didn't come back for the second season either. And they just created that social media character as like a replacement as like an evolution of her.

. Smart.

It does feel a little to detach from itself when you go to the next season, but it's still tackling some concepts that are so wild and bar out and. Oh, yeah. Awesome.

I've never read the books or it's a book my wife has, but I figured I'll probably read it after the show ends.

Okay. I'm curious where it goes. That guy's brain, he produces an insane amount of content and yeah. Neil Gaiman. . And he knows what's up, he knows things that we don't, I think.

Yeah, I

think

we got it. That's it? Listen to the dual paradigm. We'll put the link in the description. And thanks again, Ben. Appreciate you. Thank you, Jacob.

Thank you guys for listening.

Yeah, it means a lot. And we'll see you soon. And the next one.

 
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So it could be, let's bring them in, let's do something with them and then let's wreck it all and bring in the new X-Men like, why not?

We have the Wanda who seems to have all this crazy powers and we have. Whoever else that can bring in the Festo and be like, ah, I'm the devil. Why don't we just reset all this or whatever and

let's bring in Hugh Jackman for one last ride.

That'd be

insane.  three, two, welcome.

a welcome you are currently listening to is this entertainment, the podcast. The podcast.

That's my quest

for more money,

This is episode 16. And yeah, like we kept going and yeah, I kinda didn't want to , at some point, like the numbers weren't really going up for a while and I was just like, what the, what are we doing?

And. It's just, I'm really glad we kept going because they're finally starting to go up and new listeners. Thank

you for being here. Hey, welcome. Welcome new people. .

Welcome. And thank you for listening to us and then some of you were sharing it with other people and we really appreciate that.

, Every couple of days, we get a new subscriber on the YouTube. Yep. That's

, my wife said, just keep doing it. She's don't stop, , you're doing something, yeah. And I don't know. It means a lot to finally get a little bit of recognition back, we're doing something here, Ben, and it's fun.

Yeah, absolutely.

I was doing a thing the other day and it was like, list your website. And I was like, Oh, I don't have a website. And then I was like, Oh, wait, the podcast has a website. That's got a website. I have a website. , yeah, you do. Yeah.

Before we get into the wine division guys, new listeners.

And thank you. So we've done three different kinds of shows. We've done music shows and we've done entertainment

shows, TV shows, TV series, and movies. . Oh, I guess we did talk about wonder woman. Yeah. We don't mess with that stuff. Yeah.

So it's a little bit it's peppered in there.

So we did , born yesterday show , which was our band back in the day. Early two thousands. And so if you haven't listened to that, go back and listen to the last podcast because , we interviewed our bass player from back

specials, special guests.

Yeah. That was the time

we

may be having another special guest, which we're 90% sure we're having. But I, I don't want to say yet just in case, but

don't ruin it.

Make sure you are following or subscribed or whatever it is, however you're listening

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Now we can talk about the wand division now. I think one division,

boom,

let me

switch screens. So we are we're in the eighties.

We're in the eighties now.

, this was like a, what do they say? Like family ties type.

Beat. Yeah. So it had a family. The intro was the, what do you call it? The

house. It reminded me of it. Didn't family ties have a house like

that. Yeah, it's very family ties, but then it's also very growing pains.

I would say it's 50 50 on those, especially with the, like the painting of the color, adding the color to the black and white picture of them. That's definitely, family ties. Yes. Okay. But then the showing, showing the pictures of them as little kids getting older and that's grown growing pains.

Yeah.



The only thing I remember from family ties was Michael J. Fox being in it. And I don't remember right. Like any actual thing from the show and growing pains. I remember a what's his name? Tony Danza. Like being in the show. Was that okay then? I don't remember.

That's who's the boss.

No, I don't remember.

I don't remember anything. And , yeah. So tell me about growing pains.

Growing pains was Alan sick and , Not Judith light. Judith light was on who's the boss. What was her name? Oh gosh. But it had Kirk, Cameron, Kirk, Cameron was like the smooth talking oldest son. Here's.

Here's what's interesting about growing pain. Alan Thicke in the show, Alan Thicke wrote. Theme songs for other sitcoms. I don't know if he wrote the song for growing pains, which is super catchy. I wonder if

this theme song,

this was the great theme song.

,

very impressive.

But as we get into this episode, they pull a lot from growing pains , which, growing pains pulled a lot.

From other things, but there's a lot of, there's a lot of tropes that a lot of eighties family sitcom, tropes that get dug up on this one. But ,

yeah, I think we should talk about this here. This situation right here, this Agnes mass here,

Magnus. Oh, and this is even before this is the cold open.

This is so we have a full reality break before the theme song starts.



So vision told her not to take care of the kids. Yeah. But she was like, wait, am I aren't I supposed to take care of the kid or whatever? Or hold it. Yeah. It's just what

are you? You want me to hold the kids the way she breaks? It like goes from like happy, happy Agnes to basically Kathryn Hahn, like incredibly neutral.

I don't know what to do here. Do you want me to take it back from the top? And then back into it once , man. Kathryn Hahn. She's an American treasure is

great. . This has been like a magical role for her. And when she breaks out of that moment, it makes you wonder if she has her own autonomy as well.

If she's not completely mind controlled by a Wanda, if she has the power to not be controlled, is she the one in charge of everything or as we've seen from a clip from the next episode, don't bring it up. Don't bring it up. We saw a clip from it, but we don't know what she is.

We obviously have no idea, but something is

different on the idea that she is. I won't go as far as to say she is in charge. , I don't. Yeah. I don't think Wanda is in charge of the hecks.

No. Yeah, as we see later, she's she mentions, do you think I'm controlling all of this and she seemed right.

Very

sincere about that. Yeah. And while . I'm not fully on board. That Agnes is the person that's in charge. I'm not saying that .... I don't know. I think it's a, I think it's a, I think it's a 50, 50 even split, but I think it's a higher percentage that she is involved in some sort of way in the overall dynamic.

The internet keeps screaming, Murph . Emma Festo is because Marvel's version of the devil.

Interesting.

If a Festo is involved, then there's a chance that she's demon or something, like a right hand something or another , like that could be a thing or some kind of witch, because as



Scarlet, witch, hex, so something is off it's more off. We're still not sure what it is. Yeah.

, the sensors are more and more often it's happening at a clip now, man. Yeah. So that freaked me out also. What's interesting about this scene before Agnes comes in, Wanda tries to use her magic on the twins and it does not work.

It didn't no, that was , she's I'm I, it's probably not a good idea to use circuits. What did we do? And nothing, them kids were still crying. Yeah.

They have full autonomy. , they're their own thing for sure. Which is strange because their power is to grow older.

I'm sure they have other powers.



. Yeah. So the kids are crying and then they decided to just completely age up.



So they disappear out of the crib and age up and then.

Kathryn Hahn seems to be on board with it , Oh, it's fine. , yeah. So fast or whatever. Oh yeah,

absolutely.

Sure. Like it just makes you realize she's more and on it then.

Yeah. . I don't know if that's a conscious in on it or if it's just like in their brains, Wanda or whoever is telling them.

Ignore all the weird stuff, just go with it.

So the kids.

They disappear from the crib and reappear over by the stairs at the age

of five. I'm willing to accept the idea that they aged up and got out of those things where nobody was.

Oh, they just crawled

out. Okay. So they're not telling

me okay with, yeah I don't know that teleportation has to be a thing. I think it could just not be shown.

Yeah. They just grew up and climbed out and walked around. And it was just a misdirect for us, the audience,

right?

.

That's creepy. We've never seen that before,

right? Yeah. That's not on the list. We've

Seen it where ant man travels back in time and instead he gets younger, older. True. So seeing that , but like them doing it on their own

totally weird, totally different. . And the little, like the little like eye checks, where they like take a look at each other, check it out and like subconsciously agree.

Okay. It's time to age up twins. Yeah. . Yeah. Because they're not. . So maybe they've got some, , some telepathy situation for sure.

Yep. So we get the intro music, which we just talked about. And , then a dog appears in the sink.

Yeah. So

did the kids call it all appears? They said it was outside PRI it's true. True. And then all of a sudden we cut to the dog and the sink doggy paddling, what a bad joke.

Did you ever have a dog? Grown-up

yeah. Yeah. Do you want, whenever it's sunny and

and toy poodles. Barely sunny was the golden one and Bhutan was the Brown one.

Yeah. We had a poodle and a lab at one point. And the poodle was named curly. And I think we named the lab Mo yeah, but we didn't have a Larry.

Yeah. Before that we had a Cocker spaniel named

Buffy. He peed all over everything.

He was a dude. , yeah. Oh, man, gender neutral. Let's be honest. It doesn't matter their dogs. Is it a boy or a girl? Who cares?

It only if it humps your leg or whatever.

But , no, we had a girl dog that would hump. Yeah. So it's just whatever.

Okay.

Back to the back of the episode. So we saw them grow up to five and it just like a few moments later, they decided, Oh, let's be 10 because you can't have a dog until you're 10.

So you also get the moment where where Agnes walks in with a dog house and vision calls it out, basically saying Nope.

We have a problem in here. Comes Agnes with the solution. Again, this is becoming a pattern vision,

which makes you think maybe Agnes is the one that put the dog in the yard.

Maybe Agnes is involved, man. , yeah.

Do you have to get the dog in the yard to get the kids to age up more? If she's trying to manipulate what's going on.

The children, all that

stuff. There's no kid's vision points that out later there's no kids in the neighborhood. This

is the most creepy episode, I think like just the weirdest awkward. I think if it hadn't gone back out and zoomed out to sword at all, it would have just been so weird,

,

It would have been probably too much, but they didn't, they, they zoomed out for sure.



Let's talk about it. Yeah. , yeah, we see Monica getting , some sort of scan done. I don't know if we know exactly what type of scan, if it's like a brain

scan looks like. It was scanning her head. It looked like an x-ray machine, but I don't know why you would, yeah.

I don't know why you'd want to x-ray your head. It doesn't seem like that.

Smart thing to do. Now,

keep your head away from the microwave people. But yes, they said it was empty blank and then they were just like blank. She was just like, whatever I'm,

yeah. Ain't got time for this. In the comics, she does have some powers.

So is this the beginning of figuring out like where her power is going to come from?

Is it that, or is it Wanda controlling her mind or is it something else controlling her mind or blanking it out or is that's, I don't know. This just seems like something. You don't just gloss over, right?

You have no brain.

No, I think the planting a seed for something larger having to do with Monica. So I'm anticipating that seed blossoming into the flower of she's powered. Super Monica. Yeah. Super Monica,

super Rambo. Yeah.

And she's still very much on Wanda's side, during this person she's very sympathetic.

Yes. Yes. Whereas, director, whatever his name is. That guy. She's a massive mess. She is a weapon of mass destruction,

right? His point of view makes sense. Considering what's happened, if you take things into account,

I would just have a little bit more leeway for the person who just came out of the thing.

That's your primary source of information. So dismissing her ideas. Probably not great.

Trying to just murder her,

right? Yeah. Hey, we got this drone let's drop that bomb.

It makes me wonder too. Wouldn't want to have noticed there was a drone with a bomb on it and turned it into a balloon or something.

You know what I mean? , Or whatever that hex thing is like it should have, or maybe it just wasn't a bomb, maybe it was , something,

all the techniques, all the technology was from the eighties. So it didn't have to be changed. Did we

have that technology in the eighties though?

No, man. They said, the dude said I know this thing's from the eighties, but can we, cause I don't really remember it

being a thing until the two thousands.



. Dude said it was from the eighties, so

he said it was so we'll just go with it. I do want to contradict the show. This was a weird one. This

one, this was haunting, man. This was haunting. Super creepy. Weird. But we got vision. Yeah. We got vision at the , at his workplace, which you think.

You think this is the big move here. This is them working at this data's spot.

This is the new news that we get, essentially for this episode, find out these people are in pain. It's not just Oh, we were my controlled and we had to do this.

Is.

This is serious.

This dude's gonna, he's got whatever, it's got to worry. He's worried about his dad, any, it doesn't know how long he's been in this dream state

and in pain. And I think that was the big takeaway

which lends more credit to the idea that it's maybe not just Wanda doing it. Because I don't think even , as much. So she just misguided by her grief or whatever. I don't think she would willingly want to harm people like that. .

And there's also an element of , maybe she's the engine.

And something is amplifying her, , I, yeah. I don't know. I don't know.

I guess we go weird every episode. So I might as well go you're here. But when my mom passed away , I would dream about my mom. Like every night it would be a dream and it would start out great.

And then everything would just melt apart. It'd be terrible. And , that happens like over and over for months. So like I get, but this show is obviously just they even said it in the show that it's about grief, , and you're right. So if that dream that I had, but it came into reality, it would have been some kind of messed up weird shit like this, so whatever it is, it's just her subconscious, like you said, being amplified or something like that, ,

So yeah. Is this outside force controlling the whole town and she's just filling in the gaps or is she plugged into some sort of amplifier situation that is creating the, I dunno, but we'll probably find out

Oh, we should talk about,

is they went back to the old modem. They used the, Oh yeah. The dial up internet. Yeah. Gosh ,

yeah. I remember waiting like three minutes. That was the fast version

of it. Yeah. It took two and a half minutes to connect.

Yeah. Yeah. All right. Just wait, just waiting on this page to load and then we're going to

read it.

And you had to wait for an image to appear like.

Yeah, just like one line at a time and it would just like slowly file in. Oh gosh. Yeah. And now if it takes my phone more than a second to load a page, I'm like, what is wrong with this app? Close everything out. Start over again. Yeah. . The times

change, should we mention anything else worried about this office?

Because there was a little bit going on. So the fact that sword made contact with the inside.

Yeah. I don't know if that was, I don't know if that was with them. Yeah. It was a

letter they just to too, maybe they intercepted it or,

yeah, I feel like they just intercepted something I think vision just tapped into something that was out there.



Maybe, I don't know. Maybe they were trying to contact

them, I don't know. And then everybody laughs at the end of the email. Oh God. And they said it out loud. Yeah. That

was super . Creepy . Yep. So have we seen vision use this power before?

No, I don't think we've ever seen him directly tap into somebody's head. Yeah.

So he's like unplugging them from the matrix.

We've seen it in, we've seen it in Ultron because . He puts his hands on an ultra on his head and that's how he burns them out of the internet.

I see.

Okay. But we haven't seen him pull people out of the matrix, the hacks, so to speak. So then they have a second of clarity and then he's Nope, you're too

much trouble. We'll go back. Nope. You're freaking out too much. Yeah. It just puts you back to sleep here for it.

Yep. Yep. Back over your eyes and move on.

Moving on along here, you don't need to see this. You don't need to

know what's really going on. . Yeah. We'll solve the larger problem and hopefully , that'll say you'll be all right later. Hopefully. . Oh, so then also we get the, we also get the conversation with Wanda about , with the twins about , where the twins are calling out the weirdness of why is dad going to work on a Saturday?

Oh, yeah. And she's no, it's Monday. And they're like, no, it's Saturday, because your powers don't work on us. And we are seeing things as they are. So why did daddy go to work? , it's just, yeah, it's going in on that. Like they are not, they're not under the veil. They are just living it.

Yeah.

They know what's up and they have their own ability to do, but they want,

, we also get the dog dying, ran out of the gate ,

Yeah. In Agnes bushes. . How convenient?

.

Yeah. Agnes is a part of things, man. This is part of things. Did he dance also? Too much smoke for there. Not to be fire

on a total side. Tangent. I had no idea that azaleas were actually toxic to dogs. Did you know about

this? No, I didn't. I didn't realize it was an Australia. Bush. Yeah.

It's a thing. Yeah. Yeah. Does that get said as alias? Yeah. Yeah. Is there a crazy, I don't know if there's any meaning in that, but man,

. So she's just back there, like murdering the dog. ,

ah, yeah. So then vision, Barry's the dog. And then that's what leads to the conversation of, Hey, what the F Wanda, what are you doing?

And it looked like for a minute, they were about to throw down, but to have some fisticuffs, they both were flying in.

Before we go past, like the dog dying is like a symbol of basically what's happening to Wanda. Like that is like an external

representation of the entire situation is the , The love for a thing. And then the death of a thing and the grief that she's going through and 30 seconds, like this is the thing that's really going on here. And this is the represent patient of it,

which is why by, having to explain it to the kids, it's helping her get through it.

Yeah. It's like therapy.

A weird version

of therapy for her. So maybe, yeah. Don't use your kids. Is there be there? People don't do it.

Oh, maybe whatever's going on here is actually really trying to help Wanda. That could be a whole different twist. Wow. Yeah. We're just trying to get you out of this grief so that you can be

the, which that we know you can be here, whatever.

Yeah.

. Then we get the, ,

Confrontation. We got to the confrontation , visions, basically Hey. , things are weird. And I talked to my coworker and he is under the belief that you are controlling his mind. So what's the deal. Are you doing this also?

We get some key, moments of him not remembering anything before Westview, like that gets blocked in and him trying to deal with the fact that like he does not know. Sad. He died. That's probably important for him. But then we also get, once they calm down, we get the conversation where she says, I'm not controlling everything and.

I believe her right there with you. I also, so don't believe that. We get that security footage , visions, body getting taken , while we're in the sword compound. And, I must assume that she knows that he did not want that, that it was in his will, that his body.

Stay hidden. So the fact that she broke in there and took him, makes me think that she's under, somebody's spell there. I don't think so.

Her grief is that heavy. , you lose somebody that close to you. You want them to come back, you would do anything. And if you really have that power or know how to get that power, this makes me think that.

There was a break in time, right? Those stuff we didn't see. So she went and she got visions body. She may have had to get like more infinity stones or something to bring him back. Like it may not just be just the one

which is in this world. There are nurse in this world. There are no infinity.

She's obviously done something, to increase her power.

Or am I missing something or did she all along, had the power to bring it back?

The scene with Monica and Jimmy and Darcy, where they're basically going through, Hey, her powers came from the mind stone. She could have beaten Thanos had a knot, brained, all those missiles down on everybody.

And then of course , we get to the line of, Hey, it didn't catch the Marvel. Also get her powers from the, and Monica shut that conversation. Yeah. She's probably mad that, her mom's best friends. Disappeared for a long time and then came back and then disappeared for a long time again.

And then probably wasn't around winter. Yeah. Mom died. I believe there's some, probably some resentment there. ,

yeah. Captain Marvel, like we should maybe do a captain Marvel review because like it's a very controversial character , MCU wise and just her as an actress too.

And.

So I'm not aware,

there's like a whole saying the internet, canceling people. There's a whole thing, like a backlash against her. She tried to start a YouTube channel, like a YouTuber, yeah. But it was like, this just had this pretentiousness, like fakeness to it.

You know what I mean?



And , What am I trying to say? Pretty Larsen. She made a YouTube channel and it got like all this press, like the full PR release. So like her nurse videos got millions of views or whatever. And then it just just went usually when you do YouTube, your stats go up.

So to see them just crash, , must have been disheartening. And , yeah , I don't really know a lot about it, but I do know that movie also is polar rising as well in the same way that maybe the last Jedi is polarizing people had like very mixed feelings about that movie.

And it's the same thing. There's some good takeaways in that film and. There's also some lightweight what, so like I'm going to have to go back and watch it again. But yeah, we could do a whole thing on that. It's a point.

Yeah, sure.

I know, but the whole Marvel universe hinged on that film, even existing, if that doesn't occur, then. Thanos would have basically one,



it's, it was like, Oh , let's add a Superman type character. We don't have one know. And that was her. And all of a sudden that in aware,

, if her character didn't exist, they would've just had somebody else.

Do some stuff. It's not it's not like they would be like, All right. Let's make end game and the bad guy will just weigh in and that'll be,

yeah, I think like from a storytelling standpoint, they used her , Oh, let's make this invincible character. And then you just, her as the way to defeat Thanos really quick.

Yeah. But they also, she was gone for four, five. So the movie.

Yeah, exactly. That's the problem. She just shows up. Oh yeah. By the way, I'm here. Sorry, a bunch of you might have died, , and all this stuff blew up.

I'm here now. Yeah. , I also think like , that movie was a culmination of so many things and , it really was a last ride for iron man and captain America and Thor to a lesser extent.

You can't have your new people, completely dominate this movie. That's,

we've been following. Tony Stark's story since day

one. We'll get more her and, later on down the road in theory, we would've gotten more Chadwick, Bozeman, as black Panther, some

Marvel news that we didn't even talk about to do it like a whole, was that doing the whole show?

The black Panthers. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be cool. What

you just asked black Panther and then you're going to do a walk-on

dish. Yeah. In the comics , his sister takes over the black Panther mantle at some point. So I think they'll just give it to Sherry.

She was like a nerdy scientist type.

Like why are they going to give her the

I dunno,

superhero the mantle. I don't know if that's weird. That's not really in line with her character. It doesn't seem like as far as like in this universe, she's

nerdy, but once the fight starts, she gets in there and starts, shooting people with her, like with their fun right.

Palsy. So she's not

The other guy that fought for

that, that , , what does that yeah. Yeah,

I could see him being black Panther more so than.

Oh, , yeah. It could be a thing where it rotates, and th I think they have a lot of possibilities. .

Oh, guess what time it is, man?

What time is it? It's time for

me to take a break. Oh, let's see. Right back. Sounds good.

Yeah. Here we go. Hey everybody.

It's just you and I, again, you and I.

Oh, man.

All right. So here's my thoughts. This episode of one division is very much an eighties episode, in that growing pains, family ties kind of realm. So in theory, the next episode should be in the nineties. So that's the case.

What are the top 90 shows? Talk in TGF TGIF consisted of

perfect strangers for awhile step-by-step and full house. Who was on full house The Olsen twins, the older sisters of Elizabeth Olsen Who's on Wandavision. So if you're telling me that they're going to do a nineties sitcom trope episode, if Elizabeth Olsen. Doesn't say you got it, dude. At some point during this episode, I am going to be livid.

It's right there at this point. Her career is in no way based on her sisters, their careers are in no way. At this point even influenced by television film.

I'm sure they still got residual checks on residual checks on residual checks, but that's not where their heads are at. That's not where their world is anymore. They're doing their own thing and that's cool. Live your life. They've made enough money to do whatever they want. So there's , there's distance.

I don't, I, , if at this point in life, a quick nod to full house is upsetting. Then, what are we even doing? She has to say, you got it dude. She has to, it has to happen.

Otherwise the writers of this show have failed.

Then everyone has failed. They've done a great disservice to the world. That's what I'm saying. That's it? That's it. In a nutshell.

All right. It seems fair.

Yeah,

she has to say it. She has to say it. Come on. Or there has to be some subtle reference to the fact that her oldest sisters were a part of, one of the most beloved 90 sitcoms ever.

I remember coming home from school and watching full house. I remember that.

Really it was on like every day or something or reruns or something.

Yeah. My after-school show was , saved by the bell could not get CBS, CBS would run like four episodes, rip screech.

Couldn't do it. I watched a few episodes , the only thing I remember is screech , Maybe it was too real for me or something.

I don't know. Maybe that two year age gap in us is where the cut off. Yeah, a whole

different whole different paradigm.

So this episode of Wandavision does. Two things that the 80 sitcoms really dived into. And I wanna expand on that for a second. The first one is the aging of the children. No. Get back here. Put us both on screen, but this is us having a conversation. Yeah. I want to get into it with you

in

my mistake. Yes. , so yeah, , the trope of in one season, there's a baby being born and then the next season, that's a, full-blown like three-year-old right.

Walking and talking, saying lines.

Yeah. Being cute. And it totally irked me as a child watching these shows where I was like, no way, because full house.

Now full house, Michelle, she aged in normal time, but then uncle Jesse had twins with Lori Loughlin and they were babies. And then all of a sudden they were bowl cut toddlers. Yup. And I was like, I did not see this progression and my continuity g ene in my mind was like, Nope, this is taking me out of it.

And that says a ten-year-old. What was your vibe on that? I ,

like the only thing I remember are just the Olsen twins, just, I don't even know, like making jokes and laugh tracks going off and , that's my memory of eighties television, like laugh tracks. Gotcha. Laugh tracks.

. And then being like, that whole studio, audience vibe, everything was like in a house, the Cosby show type thing. In a house and people talking and

One of the awesome parts about these shows was that a lot of them had the two staircase house when there was the front room staircase, but then there was like a back like kitchen staircase and the Huxtable house had it.

there was the stairs. There was the stairs in the back of the kitchen. And there were the front stairs, same thing with different strokes. They had a spiral staircase in the kitchen, and then they had the grand staircase at the entrance to their apartment. Full house had it, they had the stairs up to uncle Jesse's spot in the kitchen, but then in the living room they had like the grand staircase.

I think it's just more a function of needing a staircase. That's not in a shot.

You also need like multiple entrances and exits in all of your sets. You gotta, you can't just have people entering from the same door every single time. So I get it as a why that happened, but it implanted in my mind a need to buy a house that has two staircases to have a house with two circuits.

I don't, but there's a house. There's a house. I'm looking at it right now. It is across the street and over just a little bit. And it had a double staircase and an amazing kitchen, but it was also like $25,000 more. , and not significantly bigger, but bigger to the point of there's no justification for us buying this house.

And my wife was like, look, I know you want the double staircase. I know that about you. I know that it's important to you. But we can't justify buying this house. If we already had three children, this would be an amazing house for us to have. But we don't. We don't necessitate that amount of space.

We don't need. Three and a half bathroom. Yeah.

We keep looking at houses in Thailand that have three bedrooms and three bathrooms. That's what are we doing? But I need a room you need like maybe two rooms, and , yeah. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. And it's we could live like for a third of the money we're living on right now.

If we just go, let's just get a one bedroom, but it's like what? We could spend the same amount of money we're spending right now and get like everything the pool rent, the three

bedrooms, the bathroom,

It's so tempting.

Absolutely. If you end up seeing a house that has a grand staircase in the front, and spiral staircase in the kitchen, you get that house for your buddy Ben Owens.

Here's the problem. Some of these houses do have two staircases, but like they'll have an outside staircase that goes up to the roof or something, and then interesting like apatio on the roof, like thing , yeah, man, there's this interesting designs that are not , what we're used to , that are really kind of unique. So who knows what we're going to move into we may just be like bums for a minute and , just get something teeny. Yeah. And

then you don't need to get the forever home right now. , exactly. . Yeah man, aging kids up double staircase.

Growing pains also did the age up. Cause they had a baby and then they upped it to , to some toddlers. See,

I remember the Tony Danza. Wasn't this was eighties, right?

Yeah. That's who's the boss, Tony Danza. Who's my boss. I'm talking about growing pains.

They had a character side character. Kirk Cameron's friends name was boner. That was allowed. That was the loud on national primetime television to have a character, a high school character named boner.

, Richard.

Boehner is not a nickname.

I know what it is. Okay. I know what it is. I don't need an explanation of what

we've been talking about. We're talking about growing pains. Yeah, no memory of growing pains here. Let me get a single shot here.

, no,

No, no growing pains. They had. Mike Seaver. All right. Then they had Tracy gold. Then they had the third kid, I think his name was Ben, actually his character name. And then they had the daughter, which was the baby. And then she was led by a toddler. And then all of a sudden she was five years old and she was played by Ashley Johnson.

Now Ashley Johnson went on to be in a bunch of different movies and a bunch of different TV shows. She's currently on the, , what's that show called with the , where she's got all the tattoos that solve clues

tattoos that solve clues

tattoos and solve clues on NBC close, either way. She's on that show.

She, Oh

yeah. Know what I know what you're talking about.

Cause it's a girl from the first two Thor movies. Oh my

gosh. Yeah, my wife and I started watching that and then it just started like looping and repeating the same pattern. So

we watched the first two seasons and then we were like, this could literally go on forever.

So

yeah. I wish they would have wrapped up that whole storyline.

So Ashley Johnson, the girl who's on that show was in Marvel's Avengers.



She was , you remember the scene, , in , during the battle of New York, there is a cafe that starts getting exploded.

And captain America comes in and saves everybody. She's the waitress. And then at the very end of the movie, they're like showing clips of people talking to the news and she's captain America saved my life. Oh, okay. That's cool. Yeah. So growing pains to Marvel. Avengers.

We talk about how bad our memories are all the time, but , you're seems to be working.

All right.

Look, there's some things that just, I remember certain actors and what they've been in. So then going back to growing pants, they do the other sitcom trope that has been , lampooned by the Simpsons. It is the ratings are low. Let's add a new hip character.

So in the last season of growing pains, they added a teenage homeless kid that was in Mike Sievers class. And that was Leonardo DiCaprio. Wow. Yeah.

That's where he had to start.

Yep. And what other show , just randomly added , a new character out of the blue Wandavision.



Is that the one we're watching.

Yeah. Which character the very end. Oh,

quick silver. Yeah. .

, we got to talk about quick silver for sure.

Yeah. , this is wild, man. This is the X-Men Fox version

So this is real. In the X-Men version did they mention his sister?

There's a reference to his sister being upstairs, but they never show her as I think the word on the street was that the agreement between. Marvel and Fox was that . They could both use both characters, but then eventually, like they could do it once and then they would split them up and Marvel would keep Scarlet, which I also think, I think that Evan Peters version of it in days of future, past.

That kitchen scene was so strong. It was better. Yeah. Yeah. They were like, yeah, we're going to have to put, just bring him over. We're going to replace them. We're going to need the better

version. Yeah. He was a lot of fun. So his version of the character. Granted, a lot of it had to do with the writing as well, because it was two different stories, so the Pietro over here being from the oppressed and manipulated, whatever. It's totally different than the Pietro over there. There's just, a kid out in front or whatever.

But what's interesting is that, that character's introduced in the eighties. Oh wait. No. Is the seventies just kidding now that didn't work.

Okay.

Days, a few semesters in the seventies

But that , the part that he was in was taking place right. As the Vietnam war was ending.

So it's like a totally different universe.

Yeah. There's a lot of implications here because the scene that vision and Wanda were having was

her saying I'm not controlling everything. , I don't know how all of this started and him starting to believe her. But then the doorbell rings and she's I didn't do that. But every other time it seems like she was doing that with Agnes showing up.

And then , alternate

universe brother shows up and and that. Brings her back in line, I think



I think, in the same way that like, when vision is starting to figure things out in earlier episodes there would be the

going along with the, but

right.

So it seems like maybe she was starting to figure things out and somebody snap cutting her in the way that she was doing it to vision. I see by adding. Someone from a different universe, who is her Alternate universe brother? . Okay. So this which, yeah, the

multi-verse. So we have a lot to talk to the moms, a crap ton of stuff to talk about because the implications of bids are maddening.



Did he get just pulled out from the multi-verse.

Is it real at all? Is it a different actor? Like she even mentioned does it, Oh, . Did she just recast? Her brother did Magnuson, right? Yeah.

So you bring Aaron Taylor Johnson and at some point to be the real one, it could be a

huge,

we're ready. We're about ready. We're going to combine eczema and Avengers more. It could be. This is just somebody messing with her.

I think this is opening the door for some multi-verse stuff, which will then get explored in Spiderman three. And then also multi-verse of man, as Dr.

Strange, and days of future past, did they, somehow, after that, I can't remember the X-Men movies.

Did they pull them into current timeline at some point? So like with being next and all that.

I think the dark Phoenix movie is supposedly taking place in the nineties. I honestly don't think that Marvel will use those actors.

You

say that, but look

at what we're looking at here. That's true. That's true. I think it was a one-off for that.



Like. I could see. I could see us dipping in to seeing that a little bit of that version of the X-Men somewhere out there.

But I think , when we get like an actual X-Men movie, I don't think it will be those extra Michael Fassbender. Yeah.

Okay. Two things are happening here. One here's Evan Peters. Hello, to , There's been a rumor that there is a Luke Skywalker or size reveal that is going to happen in this show in one division, from what I can figure out

I don't know. I think Mephisto would feel like a Luke Skywalker typer reveal, even though it's a huge character, getting somebody from the X-Men universe, like , Patrick Stewart are getting, , or even just getting like Magneto.

What's his name? The guy that plays them now. The younger

one. Michael Fassbender.

Yeah. We could get a Michael Fassbender because that's her father somewhere maybe or something , in , some of the versions of Wanda,

he is her father in the comics.

Yes. Yes.

So we could get a Michael Fassbender situation because we did see a similar type of scene. In this episode where Wanda pulls everyone's guns and points them at the guy that's true in the same way that Michael Fassbender did in ,

which one of the experts that was in McKellen. , I think both of them did it.

Using that power to essentially do the same thing, have everyone else point their guns at someone?

So it could happen. Look, if they get Fassbender to show up and then they're like, Hey, guess what? We are taking the actors from the Fox movies and bringing them in.

So in,

yeah, it's I'm so it's already been announced. We're getting Deadpool and we're getting a

true roll. .

Ryan Reynolds. So it could be, let's bring them in, let's do something with them and then let's wreck it all and bring in the new X-Men like, why not?

We have the Wanda who seems to have all this crazy powers and we have. Whoever else that can bring in the Festo and be like, ah, I'm the devil. Why don't we just reset all this or whatever and

let's bring in Hugh Jackman for one last ride.

That'd be

insane. Would that be crazy if two Chapman showed up in this thing? Oh,

absolutely.

Just be like, ah, bring , bring Logan in here. One more time. I don't think there's anybody that's God, I can't believe they got huge Jacqueline to play Wolverine.

Yeah, again, c'mon everybody

upset about you?

Jacklyn is like every character, like when they cast somebody, there's always some controversy, but with Hugh Jackman, I think he was a little bit tall for Wolverine. So there was a little bit of that at the beginning, but then once we saw him as Wolverine, everybody's yeah, that's what we'll bring.

,

we watched , the really bad movie Hitman the other night. Oh God, that movie is terrible. . It's not good. The

potential is a lot of those games were good.

I never played them. So it was good in the game. That's what I don't get. He's not the dude to play that character.

Like too funny. He looked like him, but he's too funny. He's too funny to, to play that guy. Yeah. and like that guy takes everything Uber seriously, and I just, that's not all Olafant's style. No, but Doug Ray, Scott plays the Interpol agent in that movie and he is the one who turned down Wolverine in the first X-Men movie.

Leading the way for Hugh Jackman. So every time I see Doug gray Scott, I'm like, man, he could have been Wolverine. And would that have worked as well? I don't know.

They must've thought it would work if they cast him,

right? Absolutely. Yeah. But I feel of the original X-Men, series of movies, he was the bright shining star of those.

Obviously Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen, but as far as unknowns. , it was all huge factor. He became a gigantic mega star would the same thing have happened to Douglas Scott? I don't know.

So we're going to have some serious something, something is going to happen

even some more is happening.

Yeah, absolutely. I

think this is what Marvel needed, because we were basically at the end of the story with , end game, there was the , where do you go from there? So you gotta open it. Shakeup , in is required at this point, I think for a more significant , storytelling,

definitely.

We've got this storyline that, pass through, five, seven movies. I think having some things that are a little bit smaller, like three movies that are like super well connected. But aren't direct sequels. You know what I mean? It's not like guardians one, guardians, two guardians, three kind of thing.

If it is like one division leads into Spiderman leads into Dr. Strange, and then those three movies have this contained overall arc. And then the next, group of movies also has that thing. I think that could be an interesting way to tell stories, That is different from the whole phase, like phase one phase, two phase, the

next phase, but , , you don't have to have every character in every movie.

Like it can just be its own, a couple of characters here, a couple there. But still telling the story. . I'm just talking out of my ass right now at this point. No, you're

good, man. , that's what we always just refer to. Why have a podcast, if not to, I don't

know.

Like I, cause , I was listening to a podcast as sounded so scripted. I was like, Oh. It doesn't, it sounds like you're just reading off of a page. Why would anybody, the name I listened to this?

It depends on what they're there for. Know , if you're listening to , like our show is about like us talking about a thing, but if somebody , if you have a show that's like informative, like something like , cereal, where. Where that show was about, you've got somebody explaining this whole murder situation. Okay. We were talking

about , honey bunches.

Oh no,

that's an interesting podcast.

No S E R I a L serial. Look it up. It's one of the most popular podcasts in the history of podcasting.

Yeah, I should do some research. If I'm going to have a podcast, I should

listen to at least four podcasts.

Yeah. I was recommended the Lex Friedman podcast.

Never heard of it. Don't know who that ,

seems yeah, everybody's got a podcast,

oh yeah. There's a billion of them. There's a million out of pocket. Yeah. There's so many.

The cool thing is that

we have a

podcast. I know, it's crazy. But at the same time, we're not special. .

I do not feel special at all. I know , I'm glad I have this opportunity to speak with you on a weekly basis. It's a big relief ,

and this week 99 people heard us talk to each other. Yeah.



We're 49 people.

Twice because we had to buy gas. C'mon yeah,

we did have two podcasts, which is a thing. So let us know if it's too much are we overwhelming you 40 people,

but do anything to let us know? You're there like comment. Give us

five stars, entertainment.com. I'm Jacob, that is this our and with.com.

Send us an email.

We got our Twitter handles up here on the YouTube. It's right

there in front of you. You've been staring at this whole time. Just

leave

a comment in front of

you. Ah, man, that song could have been so good. Good events,

dude, because of that born yesterday episode, I've had fallen angels stuck in my head all week.

All

week.

Oh, , this episode was called a very special episode and I'm guessing that's because of the dog died.

It's not because Evan Peter showed up.

But that's the thing, like in the, in the very special episode , realm of family sitcoms.

The very special episode was because like some like vile showed up or somebody like drank too much alcohol or whatever. That's what all the very special episodes were about

these like tragic things. And then, at the very end of the episode, you'd have the whole cast, like sitting on the couch, being like, hi, We're the cast of growing pains, if you're struggling with alcohol call this donate some money, that's the root of all of the various special episodes.

So I was waiting for, some sort of like

a phone number to pop up

on the screen, right? The creepy, like array. Exactly. So then I'm like, okay, cause the dog died and that's the very special episode. , we're talking to make sense, pain and grief and all that.

If you, or someone, is six periods, a loss recently.

This number, yeah. Hey, there's so I appreciate this, I really appreciate the show, having lost a lot of family members , it's , No, it's therapeutic in a way,

definitely. Yeah. That'd be like learning how to grieve is exactly that learning. Like it's not something that you just automatically know how to

do.

. And it's a, it's an overtime process too. And I think that this show is teaching us that in a, in an somewhat overt way, like just even the way that they released the show, just when we hit a time, , grant it's like your brain needs a little bit of time to process what has happened,

oh yeah. It's a good show. I hope they do more. , I initially thought there was going to be eight episodes. But now I think I saw somewhere that it might be nine. I heard

somewhere.

Yeah. 10 even better. .

I'm not a hundred percent how many episodes, but I heard tonight

how many Mandalorians were there.

This is like the only other like Disney plus show that I've I dunno.

I could spend that much time. We got our two guys Googling stuff

too guys. It's about time. We're an hour in and we haven't Googled anything yet. This is insane. ,

so it says a season two chap episode eight.

So I think it was just eight. Okay. Yeah, just eight. So it looks like they want a little longer in the winter.

I did Google this earlier. The screen

is long as

Oh, dang it. You got Abby

so

it's so positive.

All the time we got H Sharon after and ,



Now we can play that. We can play that the internet will not care if you play that in its entirety.

Here's the deal that is something missing from television right now

that has 2 million views on YouTube

right now this era of television is so dark.

What happened? Where's the hope like we need hope right now, society. The world, all the wait, we need some hope and some happiness and every

show. I just think it's, I just think every child is

so miserable. Every show like

Is young Sheldon miserable.

Yeah, but

it's terrible. Zip was growing pains. Great. Is that great art? I'm just saying no, there's just so much more content now that we don't, why they're showing pains was on. There was only like four or five things. If you want to find positive stuff, there's positive stuff.

I would like Brooklyn nine, nine is an incredibly positive.

So the cops had last or Coco.

Fair Ted lasso to glass. It's amazing. It's uplifting. That's wonderful to watch that I have the Apple plus, which you know, sucks. Cause then you gotta buy one more streaming service , parks and recreation, man. I tell you, go

back and watch.

I might skip the first season and watch

that. Yeah, watch the second season and then go back and watch

the first one. We tried to watch Fleabag. We couldn't get through it, man. Is it, can I just skip to season two and watch a what's his name?

Sure. Yeah. Just once use the two. Yes. What's Andrew. Scott,

does he that good in that?

Or is it more like a different

case? So good. So good. . And everything he does is good, but I've never played a priest. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. She is in love with him. There's that?

Let you not be, I've never been so captivated by a man that my entire life he's

internally captivate. Yeah.

It's incredible. This guy, he needs to be in more shows because wow.

It's me at this point, that guy can write his own check. Yeah,

he should be in like major bill. Like why is he not a Marvel character? What do we got there?

City of what? This is my city of Pawnee. This is my parks and recreation mug.

Okay.



I have a coffee mug. That's how important this show is to

me. Okay. . I'll check it out. Maybe that'll be something that can keep us in a good mood. .

It's people working in local government having a good time trying their best. Yeah. How nice,

right?

Yeah. Trying to help people that didn't

ask for it. Look, try and build some parks. Yeah. Absolutely. It's fun. It's fun.

Oh my God. Where has this episode gone? I think we fell off the cliff like 20 minutes ago.

Disagree hard disagree, 10 minutes. This is gold. This is a, no, this is what the people want.



If he knows somebody out there that could benefit from listening to us, talk

to you, let them know just, Hey, do you think, is this a fun hour of listening enjoyment for you? If it is to somebody else, they might enjoy it too. Who knows?

We're here for you and you can be there for them.

That's all right. That's all right. You can be that person. That's Hey, check out this podcast before it gets cool.

Or before they stop doing

well, look, we're locked in, man. We're locked in. We got a couple more episodes of this show. We got our special guests potentially end of this week.

This is really exciting. I like actually doing podcasts. The things. Yeah, a couple episodes a week now for , two, two weeks in a row.

Wild. Yeah, because,

, we definitely always publish on Monday and , the second episode seems to be random , but it will probably come out Thursday night.

Marker.

And on that note

I'm ready to have my mind melted more next week.

Say, you know what? We didn't talk about. No, we didn't talk about shows that have recast people in the middle of their runs. I E Quicksilver and, the, the whole cast changing thing, I'm actively trying to think of an, another version of an of example

this is different because he was Quicksilver and another, you reverse. Absolutely. But changing actors, midstream, I think the Cosby show did it. There was some controversy with the mom.

Oh no, that was the

first Prince. Yeah. Fresh Prince. Did it? Yeah. Who else did it? I'm sure it happens more than you realize, like you don't notice some characters.

Oh, we haven't talked about , if you need another show, that's dark and you want your mind to get melted, watch American gods.

Oh, I haven't started the third season yet, but that show is an acid trip, man. Yeah. The

tools in the show are incredible. I don't even know how they come up with the idea.

I've never done acid. So I guess I can't speak to that, but from everything I've heard, yeah, it's an acid.

We could do , an American gods or viewed just like one off thing, because that show is whack. And I didn't even recognize the main actor. I thought it was a different actor. The way his hair was thought, Don I was like, what is going on? They like totally color graded them different or something.

. . She just had three different show runners. Like every season has been like a different show runner. So I think they've had, because Kristen Chenowith didn't come back after the first season and they were setting her up to be a big deal



She was Easter. Oh,

that's right. Yeah. Yeah. That was a big deal. Yeah. And they just,

and they were like, don't worry about that. Yeah.

Nothing to see here. Couldn't renew that contract.

Yeah. When , when the first show runner left, she was like, yeah, I'm not going back. Oh, it's same thing with them.

Gillian Anderson from X-Files she was media left. She was what she was media in the first season. And then she was what? That the God of , media, like TV and film and stuff, she was dressed up as I love Lucy in the first season of Julian

Anderson, she was in the TV. Okay. Yeah, they didn't bring

it up. Yeah, then she didn't come back for the second season either. And they just created that social media character as like a replacement as like an evolution of her.

. Smart.

It does feel a little to detach from itself when you go to the next season, but it's still tackling some concepts that are so wild and bar out and. Oh, yeah. Awesome.

I've never read the books or it's a book my wife has, but I figured I'll probably read it after the show ends.

Okay. I'm curious where it goes. That guy's brain, he produces an insane amount of content and yeah. Neil Gaiman. . And he knows what's up, he knows things that we don't, I think.

Yeah, I

think

we got it. That's it? Listen to the dual paradigm. We'll put the link in the description. And thanks again, Ben. Appreciate you. Thank you, Jacob.

Thank you guys for listening.

Yeah, it means a lot. And we'll see you soon. And the next one.

 
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