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Story Group Theory – Rebels Wrapup | ITE S1 E10 

 January 4, 2021

By  Is This Entertainment

In this episode: What would happen if we behaved like Pablo Hidalgo? Are emotions not for sharing?

Rebels wrapup and the future of Star Wars...Ahsoka and the world between worlds. Oh, and coffee preferences.

The song we've been working on.
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Transcript

Welcome to the, is this entertainment podcast

with your host entertainment,

Benjamin Mmm Owens and

shake hands That Jacob Aaron,

Yes. We got a lot to talk about this.

Yeah. Big day. This time. So we're going talk we're gonna talk a little bit about rebels cause we've been hinting at it on all kinds of episodes . And we are also going to talk about some larger Star Wars, directional stuff, and ...

some

drama

Drama, and the Lucas film. Department world.

Yeah. What's going on with these people. They got the best job in the world sounds like they, I don't know, we'll get into it. We'll get into it.

So keep listening and thanks everybody for listening. , I put this message in front of the last video, but if you're on YouTube and you. You don't have an hour to watch the whole thing. Just hit the save button and it'll pop back up in your feed later

What? See that's the technology stuff that I just don't know about.

Yeah.

That's pretty cool.

That's cool word.

Yeah.

So yeah, I finally finished rebels.

I'm so proud of you.

Yeah, it's done. We did it. Really did they know? That the show was ending when they made the last couple of episodes.

Yeah, I would think so why I could have kept going.

Sure. I'm just saying like they deliberately left it like completely open-ended as far as what happens with. Ezra, everyone and thrawn. And it's it's a little, cliffhangery a little bit. Yeah. For a show that knew they were putting into it or was it so much forethought that they were like, all right, we're gonna pick this up, but we're going to pick it up later.

Live action.

It seems to me, it seems to me like forethought. It was probably an either or so they probably had two options. They could go live action. And if it wasn't approved, then of course they could backdoor back and just do another season. Or a different show, further in the future.

Yeah. Certainly don't think that they were planning on doing a, Rebels TV show live action, but picking up that story in a soca or whatever else.

Yeah. And we're going to go heavy spoilers.

Do we think, Oh yeah, this is 100% spoiler territory. This is if you haven't watched rebels, you know what?

Put it down. It's been a week later on in the podcast where we talk about. Star Wars in general.

Yeah. Ahsoka. And so now, the logo and what it means,

right? Oh yeah. So the logo on, on the soca show is of the little tunnel situation.

The world between worlds. Yes. Yes. Official vernacular.

Yeah. There was like a little, there was a little exposition in there and I I went back to rewatch it, but then life started happening and I had to put, I had to turn the show off. But somebody was explaining how that place worked. No, not okay. Let me go back.

Think it was Ahsoka because when he pulled her out, they, it was, that was the only really explanation was the conversation between the

two there was

seeing the emperor .

So there was, I feel like there was something about the. There being like a father, son daughter situation. Oh

Yeah.

It was like a whole mythology behind

it. The whole mythology behind that, behind the war, the world between the worlds. Ooh, Ooh.

That's a the themascera situation.

The mascara. So are we saying that a soca is. The daughter or is it the owl thing? That's the daughter.

I think they're just saying, Hey, world between worlds stuff is coming.

Okay. I think that's all. I think they're just saying we're about to mess stuff up.

Okay. I guess just, I'm just curious as to whether

or not he does follow her around.

Yeah. Is she the she and Ezra and third person that we don't know destined to be like, is it like a Neo situation where every couple of generations, someone is born into this to the one,

so you're analyzing mythology as if it's like something that's going to happen. But I think it's something that has already happened. Like it's the father, daughter, son is just

something that's happened in the past to create the thing

to start. Oh, okay. All right. So you think that was a starting off point? Those people are. Long gone. And however, this moves forward is, however,

this is moving. There are effectively like forced gods maybe equivalent to the Holy Trinity or some maybe other what am I trying to say?

Mythology that exists or

yeah,

Cause there's definitely like a father. There's more, I would say more father, mother,

son. Okay.

So they're taking like a little bit, this is their own, license on it. I think so like father, and this like father, son, Holy ghost, like father, mother, son.

So

this is their

take on mythology in general.

And I need to go back and research this. Research, I need to go back and research those cartoons. Yeah. This cartoon show, but the depiction of the people on the mural, with hands and all that business.

It reminded me of the episode in clone Wars where Anakin and obiwan and maybe a soca are trapped on that planet where it's the father, the daughter, and the son who are Kind of keepers of the force or the balance of the force and the sun represents the dark side and he's growing more powerful.

And then they show Anakinwhat he's going to become, but then ultimately erase that memory.

Yeah. So it's more like a cosmic force situation, cosmic God cosmic overall, like just the most zoomed out. Version of the forest as like in its simplest and its second simplest form. Like the simplest form will be like one thing.

The next simplest would be like male and female, which they're not really depicting. They are depicting it as in father daughter, Traditionally, it might be father, mother. So they got father and then they've got daughter and son, which are the male and female counterparts

of each other.

So they're breaking it down. It's like second simplest form of what the universe is.

So I guess my question was, that's not the same dude on the mural, right? Yeah. Cause I thought they looked similar. Are those the same people on the mural? Yeah, I think so. Okay. All right. Because the sun

in a long time, but I think so

the sun looked like the guy I'll look it up later.

I'll look it up later. We'll bring it back up some other time. But I was, I thought that that maybe those guys were elemental to this. This new thing.

Yeah. They're basically like the gods, right? Like the superior Supreme gods. Essentially.

Yeah.

If there's such a thing in Star Wars,

Yeah, like

I'd love to know what his medical area encounters.

Jesus.

Two guys drinking coffee,

two guys, drink your coffee. Welcome back. I've got a I'm drinking a a medium roast from a brand called elixir out of Philadelphia. That sounds fancy. Yeah. Yeah. It's got a little, it's got some floral notes. What kind of

beans?

I have no idea that it's a normal kind of, yeah.

Yeah. I was talking to

a Arabica,

that one of the people that listened to the podcast and he recommended Kona coffee.

Oh yeah.

Yeah. Cause it's from

Hawaii.

So when they import it, they don't have to spray it. So you get less chemicals in your

coffee. Nice. The Kona has it's really that like darker, darker.

It's strong. It's strong. Yeah. Yeah. But no, that stuff is the jam, especially. Yeah.

I think they can roast it different ways. Like you don't have to roast it a particular way, but it's definitely stronger from what I can tell. Great. Yeah.

Have you been to the islands? Have you drank it from the source?

No. The only thing I can compare to is Thai coffee.

Tell me about tag coffee. It's

amazing. Okay. Here's the thing about Thai? Like when you go to Thailand, they have Starbucks.

Yeah.

But it is literally the worst coffee you can get, because you can go

sure.

You can go to any coffee shop anywhere, even seven 11, and they're going to have the coffee beans from Thailand, and then they're going to make your cup of coffee right there. And they're going to grind the beans right in front of you.

Nice.

So you're getting a fresh cup of clean coffee and it is, it's amazing.

Yeah. I don't even know how to. It's

amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Are you are you a cream and sugar guy?

Oh yeah. I'm a cream and sugar guy. I've been cutting back a little bit. See like sometimes like when I'm trying to fast I I do coffee with no creamer, no sugar

in the

morning. Like the first coffee will be no cream, no sugar.

And then a couple hours later I'll do cream and sugar.

Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah.

Yeah. Intermittent fast,

see, I will I'll scale up scale back as the day goes. So I'll start off with a cream and just like the tiniest, tiniest little bit of sugar at this point. It's not even, I don't think it's necessary.

I think I'm just doing it out of habit. And then as the day progresses, it'll get to black. Oh, definitely.

Yeah. When I say sugar, honey.

Ah yes.

So I use honey and I use

what is the milk

from like the milk from the farm? You know what I mean? Like the local,

like the non-pasteurized it's

low heat pasteurized.

This one is

a low heat.

Yeah. Interesting to get some of the, a little more of the the goodness.

I had an oat milk latte from From full-stop here and here in town. And I guess it at old milk was the jam. He liked the oat milk. Yeah. When that bed I would prefer it to almond milk, I think.

Yeah. Yeah.

I take that back. I was allergic to almond. I was, I am allergic to almonds as far as I know

still,

but I've had recently I've tested it and it's not as bad as it used to be,

but he's cool.

Like almonds would close my throat up and I would think I was dying. So

that was good. Is that like an all tree nuts kind of thing?

Or is it just almonds?

Yeah, it's weird. It's seems to have gone away, which is really weird.

I

don't know. I used to have a lot of food allergies, I don't know. I don't know. I don't even know where we're going with this, but they've all seemed to go away, which is

great. Age helps. Yeah.

That's awesome.

Yeah.

When when my nephews were little, they were allergic to eggs and then they grew out of that.

I just started eating eggs like last year.

That was great.

Oh, speaking of which happy new year.

Happy new year, 20, 21. Today I wore my, my, my baby out at 2020. Wow.

Yeah, you have to.

Yep. Oh man. New year new me, I have decided to start working out again, like for real, with some like real kind of Gusto behind it. Awesome. Especially since I've been just eating cookies non-stop since thanksgiving. So I worked out yesterday. It was real light, but the day before I didn't even go hard, but I am so sore right now.

Yeah. All of this. Let's just say from going from seated to standing, I'm making some old man noises that's for sure.

Oh yeah, man. I can't hardly bend over anymore. I've

just

out of people. Yeah. Like, why are you putting stuff at the bottom of the refrigerator, honey? I

can't get down.

How do I get a step stool, but for the bottom? Yeah.

Okay. I need one of those chairs just to roll around the house.

There you

go. Electric chair. No I've been working out too, actually. Yeah. Yeah. New year new you.

Yeah. I think, it's time to holidays is a time to let go a little bit.

And then, now it's time to clean it back up.

And it's been only a few days in 2021, and I already feel like the days are lasting longer. Have you

had that experience? Yeah. Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah. We're past the Equinox soo. The days are lasting long. The light is lasting longer.

But literally it feels like time is slowing down a little bit.

Ah, like

I feel like I have more time now.

Yeah. Like

I don't know what I'm talking about, but it just seems like 2020 went by really fast. Did you notice that? Did it feel that way to you?

Oh, incredibly fast. Yeah.

Incredibly fast. Now part of that is being unemployed for. Two thirds of it, but for me at least. And if you told me, if you asked me like what I did in may, couldn't tell ya, argued with unemployment. I remember that a lot. That's a, that was a lot of my Mae

key that my unemployment has been easy, except the only problem is my unemployment.

I have to file it in a different state and it's less because I work out

that's disappointing.

I would have got to follow my state. I would have been sitting pretty right now.

Interesting. Yeah.

Good times, unemployed, fellas.

Talking about

Star Wars

and coffee and depression.

This is a really loose podcast.

Yeah. Real loose so far. If you're still bringing it back in, let's bring it back in.

Speaking of things coming up, we do have. We did finish the song

and,

It, it will be on all the platforms built

January 16th.

We'll put a link. I think there's a pre-saved link I can get I can put that in the description of the video or on the website. Is this entertainment.com. If you want to pre save it, I'm doing more

takes.

You wanna run that back? You wanna try it again?

No. Okay. Okay.

Sounds good.

Yeah. So I'm excited about making new music too, Ben.

Yup. Luke, I think my chair just broke.

Get your Metallica with winning guitars on.

Yeah.

It's you're good. You need to adjust your chair. They break.

No, I'm good.

I fixed it. I'm sitting on a little Ottoman thing that has like a, it's one of those you can flip the cushion and turn it into a table. And sometimes if I Jostle about too much, you get

you slide off.

Yep. Pretty much.

Yeah. All right. So let's bring it back in

Is Canaan a loth Wolf now.

Yes, I think we've I think he can put his consciousness

into a local. Okay. Because

the Loth Wolf would have been alive probably when he was alive. So it

probably right, because the lone Wolf would like, looked at him and said doom. Which is the

Daniel name.

So yeah,

I'm going to go with transfer of consciousness.

Okay. Yeah. So we think from that point forward, not that point, but from his explosion forward, his consciousness went into the loth Wolf that keeps helping.

Yeah, I think it was just maybe even just for that time when he needed to help them.

You know what I mean?

Yeah. And then from there he went back, he just dissipated into the ether, the living yeah. Force

of living force, if you will. Yes.

Yes. Interesting.

Yeah. Some brand new concepts in rebels like

brand

spanking new,

right? Yeah. You got you got whales that can

space

whales that the yep space whales that can.

Jumped a hyperspace or hyper-speed that's super rad.

Yeah. I hated it at first. And now I'm on board.

Yeah. I when they first showed up, I was like, okay there should be there should there's there, right? Yeah. There should be some sort of life form that has figured out. This. And yeah, I didn't hate it, but I also wasn't like, I don't need this to go anywhere.

So then when they came back, I was like, Oh, what a fun way to bring them back. Yeah.

Full circle to my space is water theory as well.

Absolutely. Definitely tapping into that.

Yeah. However they can fly apparently in the atmosphere. So

What else? Oh the the

Bindu

the sky.

Oh, yeah. That dude. What is his whole thing, man? He turned into a storm.

Yeah. He's basically like a God or something like an hour level. Deity.

He reminded me of the w is it good, Mark? No. Good. Mark is the Wolf dog in never-ending story.

What's the turtle. Oh, you reminded me of the sneezy turtles.

Yeah. I can see that.

Yeah. Like just less like the turtles a little bit more apathetic. Yeah. Yeah.

Turtle was grumpy.

Yeah.

Full on storm. Full on like just deity.

Yes.

I haven't seen it. So I'm just saying there's a lot of things in rebels that are introduced in star Wars that are new, like brand new concepts to this universe galaxy far, far away.

Yeah. There's yeah, it's at what point does, is I guess is there a point where you become so strong with the force that you. Morph into one of these beings and there is it just like a spectrum? That would be cool.

The highest level we've seen of actual morphing is just like force ghost level.



That would be cool if you could morph into an like deity that would be another way to maybe bring Luke back, or if you don't just 86, the whole shebang, which can you now see what I'm talking about? It should be clear, right?

Yeah. I just think there's I don't think it makes sense from a.

I don't know, running a movie studio standpoint or a, entertainment studio standpoint to.

Like retcon not even, retcon just blow up all of this established stuff. Plus aside from the fact that they've already done that with the extended universe

episode seven. Did well, because star Wars came back then episode eight came out and a large percentage of the star Wars fandom did disliked

eight.

And then so nine came out and they had the lowest numbers of any of the three. And that trajectory is not so good. So if you're going downhill and then you bring back Luke Skywalker? And your numbers go through the roof. You get the most Disney plus subscribers. You get the most like rewatching and statistics.

You can see them, from a Disney point of view and you go, okay, maybe we should bring back Luke. Maybe we should do what people wanted in the first place.

But you can do that without negating anything from seven, eight, nine. Okay. They can, if this is the trick and put stories, they can put stories in between that timeframe all the live long day.

Yeah. There's plenty of time where they like this. This is not going to happen like tomorrow. Like even after. Another season of Mandalorian or whatever. Like it's going to be a while, but as Luke evolves and grows up, I think we'll get to a point. And it'll be like in Ahsoka showing Luke into the world between worlds type situation where like you could have went this way and it will be a reference to seven and then they could easily just take them out of it and be like making a different decision at a different point.

I think there's so much danger in

you just keep saying that, but let's look at the IMDBs score. You know what I mean? Let's

look at it.

. If you take if they said, all right tomorrow, we're going to do or not. Even tomorrow,

there's a difference between a five minute scene with Luke being a bad-ass in the Mandalorian and replacing him with another actor. Because you would have to, or doing a completely digital character and doing either a Disney plus show or another trilogy around. And

Look at solo, they tried it with another actor and it didn't do well. So bringing him back for five minutes in the Mandalorian and having it be awesome is an attainable goal. Doing an entire trilogy there's so much more, or even let's just say doing one, one more movie with Luke has so much so much more Opportunity for failure.

There's so many landmines that you can fall into that

They'll have test it as they go.

Like they, if they bring more back to

the next thing to high risk for the reward

and the next season of Mandalorian, there's a good chance. They'll bring Luke back, right? Yup. So that is more testing ground. Yeah, but

you still have to smoke and mirrors him and do all this crazy.



They might switch to an actor. They might just be like, Hey, let's just try it. You know what I mean?

Why not use that time and energy on creating something new?

If everybody loves Luke and that's what everybody

wants. Yeah. But there's still the danger that you're going to have half the audit and say that's not the way I envisioned Luke. You can get it right for five minutes. Are you going to get it right for 120 minutes?

Yeah. I think I think it'll be a testing ground, right?

So I think they'll do maybe a little more loop in the next one, just to see if they're going the right way. You know what I mean? There that's the advantage of doing shows is that they can write, they can do, okay. This episode we'll do this and we'll explore this character, and if people like it, then they can expand it and do more.

It's just like a soca. They did it and then. They planned on doing Ahsoka anyway, but if they did it and then it didn't turn out good enough for them, they could have decided this isn't working the way we wanted it.

I fully believe that, there that at multiple points in time, they were ready to give up on Ahsoka, not much give up, but just be done with her story, you could, I could see clone Wars being just the end of her story. I don't know that, yeah. They leave it open-ended enough for her to come back. And even in rebels, they.

They sat with her being, crumbled underneath the sith temple for a season plus.

That could have been the end of it.

So it could have been a thing where like, all right we're talking about what if we brought a soca into the Mandalorian? Okay. How would we do that?

All right. So then we're going to need an episode of rebels to bring them well, here's

what is happening, right? It feels like there's two different entities at Lucasfilm trying to make decisions. And that's part of what all this drama is. That's part of what everyone is upset about. Lucasfilm in general, right?

It's it seems like there's a John Fabro Filoni star Wars angle, and there's a Kathleen Kennedy star Wars angle as far as agenda or. Storytelling

types. Okay.

And the Kathleen Kennedy star Wars storytelling is the Ray that we got the like very heavy female led centric type stuff.

And then the Filoni and Fabro is the bringing back what we like about star Wars from my point of view.

Okay.

And then the story group

I don't know what the story group is, but they seem to be in charge of it or over, they have to just amalgamate all of the information and just is that even a word? They have to just take all the information and make it work, and make sure and just keep people in check.

Like you, make sure that they go to the right planets or whatever, right. And speaking of story group, do we, should we talk about the story about the drama?

Let's focus in on what you just said there for a second. Okay. So

Kathleen Kennedy, president of Lucasfilm,

CEO president. Yeah.

So something like that. So

I get that she's technically in charge of the Mandalorian, but it seems to me the decisions that are being made in the Mandalorian are not ones that she would make.

You see what I'm

saying? They're more like she's giving Favreau and Filoni okay. Just do what you think people want to watch.

Okay. You know what I mean?

And what gives you that impression?

Just the storytelling. Like it's I know people that didn't even watch Rise of Skywalker and they watch the Mandalorian because it reminds them of star Wars.

So why not associate that? If we're associating all the good of the Mandalorian with the show runner and director.

Whereas with, I guess the main writers really? Yeah. Cause Favreau and Filoni pretty much write everything. Then why aren't we associating the movies with JJ and Rian Johnson? Why are we associating that with Kathleen Kennedy?

And do you have an excellent point? Yeah. And maybe it isn't, it wasn't Kathleen Kennedy, maybe it was JJ and Ryan Johnson that, that kind of.



Because I think it's easier for us as a society to blame, to say it's the woman's fault or even to say okay there's or even just to put that spin on it, to say Okay, for instance,

Oh here,

rogue one was directed by a guy. Yeah,

exactly. This is why you can assign that to Catherine Kennedy because of rogue one main character chick, a solo main character Han, but really, it was Kira's story.

So I think I can

star Wars, original chair. Logy Carrie Fisher. Prominent role.

I'm just saying, I'm just saying, you know what it is. Yeah. Ryan Johnson turned the story into a place they couldn't go back from. So I'm not, I don't want to not give him credit for Taking a deep dive

right

off the cliff.

Because there was no going back from that, the only way they could have went back was, yeah, they should have had Luke just teleport instead of disappear and die, they could have had them teleport somewhere and like actuality, but like the whole like green milk drinking thing and all that stuff.

Like what WTF. Yeah, definitely Rian Johnson had a lot to do with the direction of the neutralities, but there were other star Wars movies, which is why I'm mentioning Kathleen Kennedy. And then I feel like she's not, and you're right. I drawing inferences from like the ether. I don't really know that as she doesn't have.

Influence over the Mandalorian or you know what I'm saying

that way. My thought is like as an executive at that level,

it wouldn't matter. She was a she or a heat for the record. I would still be saying the same

thing.

I, yeah.

You don't know if, but if she

was. And I'm trust me, I'm upset about what Rian did.

Like as much as I love the last jet I still think Ryan changed the trajectory of star Wars for the works because he left nowhere for that. I feel

like he opened it up.

He left nowhere for the story to go.

That's not true

For... the characters that we were following.

If. There's some big gifts here, but and I'll try to relate it to Harry Potter for a second.

The first movie has so much to do with Han solo being this I don't know, kind of father figure. To Rey, but it's very much like a, it's a Han solo. Of the original people of the original trilogy, main three, that first movie is very much a hymn movie. That second movie is very much a Luke movie and the idea was the third movie was going to be very much a Carrie Fisher movie.

One of Ray's main lines is I need somebody to show me my part in this. So she's looking for that person to show her the, her part in this. So if Carrie Fisher. Doesn't tragically pass away after the second movie, then

we would have got a different film.

We would've gotten a completely different third film and and I think it would have, it just would have congealed a little bit more

did Ryan Johnson take some huge left turns from what was established in force awakens? Absolutely. JJ is really good at having these Like it's throwing out all of these like mystery, mysterious possibilities, it's all over lost. It's the rabbit's foot in mission.

Impossible. Three of we got to get this thing. What is the thing do it's so bad. You don't want to know that's it. So he's really good at throwing all of these things that like, could potentially be part of things at the wall. And then. Rian Johnson pares it down a little bit. So some of these things matter, some of these don't.

And then it going back to JJ after obviously whatever Colin Trevor was doing, wasn't working. And then you still have, an established timeline of when the film is supposed to come out. Ryan Johnson was originally supposed to write the third movie.

Which would have made sense. Cause then he would have, from a continuity standpoint, pushed, told, tied everything up. But then I think that was also them as a team, not realizing that him writing and directing the second movie was going to take so much out of him that writing the third movie within that timeline wasn't plausible.

At the end of the day.

How do you feel though? Like when you watch rise of Skywalker at the end of it, are you like, yeah. Rey Skywalker, you really, you embrace that.

Yeah. Why not?

Okay. It just feels wonky to me. It just feels okay, they're just like, this is just,

yeah. It's

like her fan service.

She didn't like it's established early on that she longed for some sort of, parental, but then when she

found out what it was, she didn't embrace it. I'm not saying she should have.

Wait, hold up. When she found out what, Oh, what, like what

her parents were when she found out she was a pal,

but they're not like.

I'm saying she's actively looking for a like actual living role model, and then they put that together between the three of them. Yeah. So

it showed her for a half, a second dark Rey. Like she could have went that way. You know what I mean?

Oh yeah, she could have, but then.

You can't sell as many toys,

you can't, yeah. That's a big swing to take your main character or one of your main characters and turn them, completely.

I think that at least it would have given her an arc. You know what I mean?

Yeah. It definitely would have been, the Denaris Targaryon way.



And then,

have been so low, kill her as the. As being a force

redeem himself. Yeah.

That would have been right.

There've have been a great story.

That could have been a real interesting story. Definitely. But I, I think that story would lend a little bit too much to the idea of it being predestined and not being about the choices that you make.

If it was, Oh, she's she was born a Palpatine. So she was always going to be evil in the end, whereas, even going back to Anik and it's about the choices that they make, that. Put them on that path. So she chose to stay on the path of good Luke chose to stay on the path of good after he

a more interesting story would have been, go with, this is why I liked the last Jedi.

What I liked about it was the she's nobody, but she makes the decision for herself. If she would have continued to make the decision for herself and not been a nobody. And then went dark, then it would have been a very interesting story. And I think you would have the opposite, right? So you would have that kind of the opposite of Luke story.

I think what ends up is that she's well, I guess she does claim being a Jedi, but her having the yellow light saber at the end, doesn't that mean that she's chosen like a more like middle of the road. Luke was saying that, the jet I needed to end and that it's all about being in balance with the dark and the light.

Yeah.

It's a test that I just like. Man. I just wish that movie was not such a train wreck. If I can't believe I'm saying this out loud, but I think your premise is right about Rian Johnson. If he would've just wrote the next movie, if he had an idea for where it was supposed to go, then maybe it would have made more sense,

yeah.

I just feel like it went so off the rails that it's I'm not going to feel bad one bit. If they really. If they just do alternate universe or whatever, they gotta do multi multi-verse or whatever, because it's just, it's too wack, man. There's just too many Mcguffins in that movie.

It's too

much.

what should have happened was they should have. And, that's the thing maybe they did. And ma maybe Carrie Fisher's death really did just derail the whole plan because if they had like a full blown, this is what the arc of the three movies is going to be. And hashed that out a little bit more than I think it would have been, a much more enjoyable product and a much more cohesive story.

Yeah.

Yeah. And it's, it's a real tragedy. That happened.

Oh, absolutely.

And I can't imagine like trying to write rise of Skywalker after Carrie Fisher's passed away.

Yeah. And using, okay. Let's go back. Look at all the footage. What cut lines of hers do we have that are usable? And how in the world do we write around that?

Yeah. And that's how you get always trust the droid or whatever the line, right?

Oh my goodness. I know it could be better. So I'm looking at the IMDP scores episode seven when it came out 7.9. So that's like basically an eight though, episode seven and eight and we

go to episode.

Eight and it's a seven and then we go to episode nine and it's a 6.6. I do want to remind you that IMDB does not count one star scores.

Okay. And they're averaging. So if a bunch of people rated at one star, those are not included. So to get a 6.6, it's like an amalgamation of two stars to 10 stars. So that's more like a five point something.

What I'm saying

is that it's not so great. That's so good. That's my point. So it's obviously it's deteriorating, like you can't, how can you go from there to the next story to where do you go?

Like you just take Ray to somewhere. You're not going to have Luke all the characters. They, everybody likes. They're all gone now. And then what, where are you going to go? Yeah. You can go anywhere. It's a big universe. Yeah. But

yeah. Yeah. I don't know that there's anything in the works for continuing.

The Rey, Poe, Finn story.

Yeah. And you said, but do you, yourself said you wanted to see new stuff and these are the characters we have. This is what they gave us. They replaced our characters with these characters and they said, this is star Wars. And it's like the Ray toys aren't selling, man. It's just a fact,

man.

No, it's a galaxy of people they've told this story. They don't have to tell any more of that if they don't want to. They there's all kinds of possibilities. They could jump, 10 years into the future to broom and do something, post, or they might just let that live for a little while, and then, revisit.

I'm just saying I'm not saying like from a timeline standpoint of having to go forward from the end of the last Jedi, I'm just saying there's infinite possibilities of stories that they can tell. Within the world as evidenced by the fact that like all of this new content that we're going to be getting through Disney plus, it is all over the place.

You got stuff that's happening in between the prequels and the original trilogy. You've got stuff that's happening after the original trilogy, you've got stuff that's happening. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you've got some panic during the clone Wars. It's just all over the place. There's a long established timeline now and Oh.

And even going back as far as the high Republic, with with the Leslie Headland show there's all of these different stories that can be told in this, in, in this universe that's been created and constantly tying it back to Luke seems small.

Okay. Yeah, but when

you give them a wrong out look, we all love Luke

Skywalker.

Not that it's not that, when I say tying it back to Luke, though, we're tying it back to Anakin, which was like all this prophecy stuff, all that kind of thing. So it is a major thing. It's not like it's supposed to be the biggest event or biggest, thing in the galaxy. There's this prophecy of this brings balance to the force.

So like, where is that? You know what I mean?



That's all I'm saying don't we want to see like the, a little more of that story continued.

It's, is it, and Anaconda threw the emperor down the trash shoot. So, is that the act of balancing the force or is it Luke balancing the force by choosing to throw down his weapon?

I don't know.

It felt like a pretty important moment we needed that,

but yeah, either way like that being the prophecy, like we never seem to learn that. So learn the long,

there's not much balance going on.

Yeah. I like that. And that balance held for 16 years.

Not even, I think it went

by right.

And that M ndalorian is five years out. So it's like the balance hasn't even held that long. Like it's already disrupted In Mandalorian.

I dunno. I feel like the empire is still in shambles. They haven't reformed into the thing,

but it's still like to say it's balanced. It doesn't feel right.

Yeah, 📍 📍 maybe it's the loss of the emperor has made it balanced, like from a force standpoint, not from a who's in charge of it

from a force standpoint, we find out that we never really lost the emperor. So

what?

True.

Where's this balance that was supposed to

happen?

Who made this prophecy how 'bout that?

And how did Maul know all about it? Cause at the end of clone Wars, he was like, "I see it all happening."

That's a great Maul impression. Yeah.

"The apprentice is becoming the master." whatever he says



He was wise.

Yeah. And Wiley. Oh my goodness. Yeah.

I really wish he was still around.

Yeah. Come on Solo part 2.

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So that one's going to

start, like you said, star Wars is going. A million different ways, but yeah, it is going forward from this point in the Mandalorian story is going forward and they are producing three shows on this same timeline.

So three out of the, whatever nine or 10 shows are following the same timeline. So to me, that is the relevant star Wars. To me, that's the most important star Wars because they're going from what we know. To possibly someplace new. If it's just going to go to episode seven, then why are we watching it?

You know what I mean? If we know what's going to

happen, but there's, I feel like there's so much as evidenced by like the clone Wars. We know how the clone Wars is going to end. Yeah, it's going to end with revenge of the Sith, but what what are the other stories inside of that we can tell and turns out putting Ahsoka versus Maul, on Mandalore is a pretty rad story that I think you and I both enjoyed.

Yeah. So I think there's ways that they can live within it without having to blow it all up.

I'm just, I'm all for blowing it up. I don't

know. I don't know

Let's just say they explore Luke and they explore him. Like I know. I don't know.

Maybe you just don't want to see Luke or it's just because the effects are not up to snuff, but

I just think it's such a tall task. It's going to be tough. Yeah, you can show him for a couple of minutes here and there and tease him out and get that goodness ostalgie but like formulating an entire story around him just sounds like that's going to be

him creating the

center.

Pull off.

That is the story that is repeated over and over. Is him creating a new Jedi order? And sometimes he fails at any pails at it, I think. In several novels and several in the old stuff, the older, what do they call it?

The, Oh yeah, the old ex extended universe. Yeah, whatever it is, the good stuff.

The old stuff. The old novels. Yeah. Disney selloff

novels. It was always that story, like even different versions of it. Even the story we got in episode eight is like a continuation of that. But it's a story that like, is begged to be told because it's been repeated a lot.

Like it's in the collective consciousness of star Wars fans and they want to see it,

Yeah, no. Look if men learning season three has, the empire strikes back kind of vibe of Luke and baby Yoda over here doing training stuff and then Mandalorian going through, I dunno, probably some stuff with

bounty hunting.

Bounty hunting Mandalore proper

taking Mandalore back. Yeah.

Yep. And probably some off giddy and stuff too. So he didn't die. He's still he's still out there. If they have that going on, while at the same time you get a lot of shots of grow GU training and the back of Luke's head and occasional Mark Hamill voice being like, try it this way.

Then I'm completely game for that. I'm completely game for that. But I'm saying is you're doing like a Luke show or a feature length movie. Just seems and maybe that's not what you're asking for. And maybe I'm just like projecting that to you.

I would love to see would to see it.

I've always wanted to see the Luke centric. What happens after he gets all his power show,

whether it's a

show or a movie. And if I think they should test out casting somebody else. If it's Sebastian, Stan, or somebody else that looks like him. I think they should test it out and see if we accept it.

You know what I mean? If it works, even if it works, why can't they tell the story?

Yeah. And it would probably help to have, the same director for the whole project because solo didn't have that. So there's, there's some issues there.

Yeah. Keep your director or show runner writer,

Right. I think, what's interesting is did, did it take that experience for them to accept, take away TT, But, or was he willing to play more by the rules? Cause what they didn't have then was the opportunity for one of these, for Lord and Miller to direct an episode of a preexisting show to make sure that they can do it.

Yeah. Yeah. And if

you have that, nobody likes then it's no big deal, but if you have an entire movie, that's a little,

right. Yeah. So I watched the Mandalorian. Gallery behind the scenes deal with the directors. Any one of those people I'd feel good about handing them a feature length movie?

Yeah. Carl weathers. Why not? Oh my God. Carl weathers. Absolutely. Deborah chow. Great.

Speaking of which

Bryce, Dallas give her, give her something to do.

She's not busy. My whole thing was the reason I was so excited about Ahsoka is because we're going to see world between worlds.

We know we're going to see it, so we know they're going to, we know they're going to fits with the time someone.

Yeah. Yeah. They could

It's going to happen. It has to. So are you going to be okay? Are you going to be okay with that?

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. If anything if my thoughts on all of the star Wars movies and my love for the prequels, the fact that I think the last Jedi is the best of the non original trilogy.

If there's a thesis to my fandom, it's that whatever they end up doing, probably gonna like it.

Yeah. You're not like hyper-critical.

Exactly. Exactly. What are they going to tell a good story? Tell a good story. Show me some light sabers I'm in.

Yeah. Have some good music.

Yeah. Have some good music.

Tell a coherent story or you know what? Maybe even don't. If George Lucas taught us anything is or taught me anything. It's that like, all right. Even if the the dialogue is crap, I'll still dig it. But I'll understand it for what it's worth.

I wouldn't hold up a tackle the clones versus the godfather. Or even something like that's, Zandra based, I wouldn't put it up against the matrix or

why is it that we have eight episodes talking about star Wars? You know what I mean? If it's not the greatest in filmmaking, like you said, like why does it stick with us so much?

And will it will future generations? It doesn't seem like they're catching the bug. Like we did.

I think there's also a family aspect to it. I think like my brother's kids enjoy star Wars, they all dressed up for Halloween is, Kylo Ren or Darth Vader or whatever, they've done that bit.

They enjoy the movies, they watch them together when they come out. I think for the people that it matters to Then those kids will enjoy it, but at the same time, there's so much more content just in the world that they're going to feel the same way that we feel as the Marvel cinematic universe or.

The last Airbender cartoon, or just, there's just so much more stuff. Now.

Speaking of content,

people to latch

The newest generation of people, watches most of the content on mobile devices and like YouTube and Facebook and like stuff that we don't spend. I don't spend that much time watching videos on Facebook.

You know what I mean? Oh, no, not at all. Like

I do a lot at YouTube. I do a lot of YouTube, but I'm,

I don't know. I'm still paying for cable, so there's that that's where I'm at in the spectrum. I still turn on the TV and put it on TBS and see what's on. And half the time it's a movie that I own on DVD, but then I'm like let me just watch, 20 minutes.

And then all of a sudden it's the end. And I'm like, I could have watched this without commercials and gained 20 minutes of my life. Yep. But cut the cord. You yeah. Enough real. Oh gosh. The

problem is

it's the sports stuff, like sports watching the U of L game, the U of L basketball game was on.

Fox sports South yesterday. And it's a giant pain in the ass to get that. If you don't have a cable subscription. I see. Okay. And that's a game that I want to watch.

Then it makes sense. Yeah.

So I'm going to pay outrageous cable money to be able to watch the sports things that I like. Once they get that cleaned up.

I'll think about it pretty seriously.

Yeah. Yeah, it's coming.

There's just so many like licensing agreements, it's right. Yeah.

I don't know how it works. I'm not sports. What?

It's similar to a TV show being on Netflix and then January one, it being on HBO, max.

Just one licensing agreement ends, and another one begins

There are rumors about this, like Kathleen Kennedy and John Favreau, like butting heads, like it's like actual rumors and not just speculation

but if these things are true, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

If Kathleen Kennedy gets fired and the next. Six months or whatever. Are you going to be surprised? If she steps down,

Her contract is up in 2021. So there is that. Okay. And I dunno, I just, if

it could have been handled better, right? Or is it just because K Fisher died? Are we just blaming?

I think that w I think that's a huge, that's a huge wrench in the wheel. Yeah. I'm sure that there is a community of people out there who.

Are looking for a scapegoat for the new trilogy not being to their liking and a prominent female.

Why do you keep putting this prominent female? Like it would, do you really think it matters that she's a female? Do you really think there's people out there? There are people out there that think star Wars trilogy went downhill because it's a prominent female.

Not because it just went downhill.

No. I think that there are people who are willing to blame the downfall of, or the grand success of the trilogy.

If the trilogy was amazing. She, I think people would be praising her,

Oh. But. But I think there's

within the fandom. There has been a divide there. Was that a divide? No, there's been backlash for

For Rey's character a black man holding a lightsaber

backlash.

Oh, that happened early on. They were like, Oh, is this black guy going to be the main character? I was like,

what's wrong with

it? It was some, there was some racism out there on the internet toward Finn.

I was really hoping that he would have been the main character of the story. I was really hoping they would explore it like that question Mark, but the guy waking up from his slumber and deciding to be the hero of that story. My God, that could have been amazing,

Definitely that happening in the first movie.

And then in the second movie, The only exploration of any other sort of awakening being the kid with the broom and then the third movie, having this other group of people that that also woke up. And that being the extent, the whole extent of that I guess other than res awakening, right?

Like

instantaneous. Virtually. I know you say there's a little bit of growth, but , She was overpowered from the get

for sure. Yeah. We also don't see we see a training montage from Luke empire and

That's it. Yeah,

that's really about it.

And then he's able to not instantly get murdered by Darth Vader.

Vader was toying with them, obviously going back and watching that,

right? Yeah. He was trying to get him into the thing.

Yeah. He's not trying to kill him. He's just, yeah. Whatever. He was only using one hand with the lightsaber for a minute.

Like he wasn't trying to kill him. He knew who he was. Yeah. He's trying to change him,

right? Yeah. He's trying to turn him I don't know, there was the whole like Rose Tico mess after the last Jedi where people were mad about that. There's just a lot of examples of like racism and sexism before people come in on Twitter.

But here's the problem it's assigned as racism or sexism, but the actual complaint from what I've seen is that it's just Rose Tico. Wasn't that great of a character. Like she wasn't. That great of a character. Why can't I say that, but not be racist or sexist,

they're saying like, yeah, she wasn't that great of a character, but then there's people like full blown attacking her on social media to the point where she has to deactivate her Twitter, Instagram, and all that stuff.



That's not appropriate obviously,

but that's yeah. So I'm not saying you specifically.

No, but I feel

and you can have qualms with that stuff, but like obviously some people are taking it way too far and yeah. And

taking it too far because that's the internet. And that's the comment section.

Of course people were taking it too far, but to necessarily blame it on some to just assign, Oh, that's racism then, because somebody doesn't like something like, I see a lot of that. I see a lot, like there's even articles been written like, Oh, if you didn't like Rey, then you're a sexist. It's no, Like bags, just didn't think she like her character developed,

I do think it is. It is within a lot of people to at least examine the idea of, do I have any internalized stuff that I need to deal with?

Sure. But it is entirely possible. To not...

it's entirely possible. It's not like a character or to not like a story it's entirely possible. Absolutely implausible. But yeah, but if it's the it's like the

If Ray's story, just if you just couldn't, if she couldn't, I can control a dude at the beginning of the movie, I would have been way more okay. With Rey characters are like, wait until you get a little training in or show me how you got that power or even idea to do that before. You know what I mean?

It's give me some development, like a little teeny bit of story, that's all I'm saying yeah. I would've, I would have loved the Ray character that showed how she got that idea to do that.

You know what I mean? Like it would've

been Oh, okay. See, at least saw somebody or heard about somebody doing this.

You know what I mean? Not just WTF,

no, you like that? That's that is a legitimate qualm. That's a legitimate quality. But what I'm saying is not everybody has legitimate qualms,

but if I post a legitimate qualm, it can it, some of these legitimate qualms are getting dismissed as racism or sexism.

Oh, you just, you're just sexist. Do you know what I mean? Or, Oh, you're just a whatever just or any ist.

I think there's a great deal of people. Especially straight white men who aren't willing to examine any internalized bias that they might have. And that leads to a certain defensiveness that

you're like, but it's I've seen straight white, I've seen straight white female leads and movies that are amazing. Let's just give out here the chess movie

Oh Queens gambit.

You know what I mean? I feel like you're like subtly attacking me a little bit.

No, not at all. None at all. No, I think what I'm trying to say is I'm not trying, I'm not attacking you, because what I'm saying is If you have you have legitimate qualms. Okay. So I'm saying, but I'm saying there, there is a swath of other people who get so dismissive of the idea that maybe they have some sort of like internalized thing going on that they're not even willing to examine the idea of are my columns legitimate.

You really think there are that many people that are just so messed up inside that they're accidentally sexist and accidentally racist and can't admit it

to themselves. Oh, a hundred percent. There's just a ton of it Yeah

because like to me, racism and sexism is a learned behavior. You don't come out of the womb. Racist or sexist . You wave, you play you, you wouldn't know any difference unless someone said, Hey, that person's different than you because blah, blah, blah or or get some programming in school.

Let's just go here and there's a good chance. I'll cut this out. But to me, the fundamental reason that so many people are racist is because of. We don't realize this has been programmed into our brains, but when they show pictures of evolution and they show the monkey and the into man, and they say, the first man was black, what they're implying is...

And I know that's not

true.

I know that.

Oh yeah. I know



That's.

Yeah. That's bullshit.

Yeah, but that is. A product of our education system is what's happening. And and maybe there are people that like, maybe you're right. Maybe that gets ingrained in people and then they're racist from then on out.

You

know what I mean? Yeah. What I'm saying, so if you, so then you go back to alright, who wrote that book? Who was in charge of creating the curriculum, who's in charge of

you won't, we won't like the answer.

But, so what I'm saying is that's the whole idea of institutionalized racism is that it's so ingrained, subconsciously in the way we teach people things in the way that society behaves, that you can't just, you can't just say I'm not a racist, so it's gotta be getting better.

That's one less racist person, but. If there are systemic issues that keep one group separated and downtrodden and

but th the two things are not the same just because people are programmed to be racist does not necessarily mean that they don't have the same opportunities.

Yeah, but there's internalized stuff that

I know it's hard for us to have this conversation cause we're two white guys, right? That's, what's happening. That's what's happening in our brains right now. We're afraid to say anything because we're two white guys. So let's just put that aside for now and just say what you're thinking. And then if it gets weird, I'll cut it out.

On the surface there is, yeah do you know everyone who grows up in America has generally the same opportunity. But I think there are more landmines to not even accidentally inadvertently walk into as a minority in this country that you and I haven't had to deal with. If you and I got busted for weed when we were 16.

Even though when we were 16, I know you and I were not smoking weed, but we weren't that cool. If we got busted for smoking weed at 16, we wouldn't have been treated the same way by the system as a person of color getting busted for weed at the same time.

Okay.

I don't know that. I don't know that.

Isn't true.

Okay. As far as committing a crime and then the punishment not being equal, that might be true.



The police were originally created to roundup black people. Yeah. So there's that.

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Like institutional racism, like it's built into the system itself.

So you could have not racist cops, but due to the function of what the foundation of that house was built on. There could be little. Little racist things, little things that maybe just aren't so much fair to everybody.

We're looking at the going downhill. Like it will be easier for a black person to make a mistake and get stuck faster, but let's talk about the opposite.

I think the opposite is where.

Man. I hate to even say this, but there are some instances where they have advantages, right? So there's the school where they call it the no. The the not equal opportunity. The, what is the thing?

Affirmative action.

Affirmative action. So there's An unequal, affirmative action.

Whereas they have advantages if they want to pursue a certain path to a small degree, to a small degree. So I'm just saying like that is a sort of a balance to the negative

it is a way to course correct without addressing major problems.

Okay.

Instead of addressing like red lining and housing in poor communities and what red

lining is.

Okay. So it's it's basically People of minorities couldn't get loans for houses that weren't in certain districts. That's like the.

But is that really true? Is that still true?

Yeah.

Oh is it still true? No, not so much, but if we go back to

it was like a transitional period, right? There's like a transitional period where we're getting out of all of this.

But if systems are being created to where,

if this is, these are being created to improve this process, I think that's good.

All right. So let's just go, let me finish up. Let me tie a bow on this. Housing versus affirmative action. I do have a point, I promise. Okay. So if if at a governmental level.

Or even, not even from a government level, from like a from a, the banks level, it's established that in the fifties that people of color minorities in general aren't allowed or are discouraged from purchasing property. Outside of the West end of Louisville or the Southwest end of Louisville.

So if it's just fundamentally harder for them to get housing on the East end of Louisville or in the Highlands or wherever else. So if that is a thing

was a thing

So if that was a thing in the fifties, right? Yeah. So then if. So then the schools in those areas, funding is paid by the taxes in those areas.

So the East end people who are making crazy money, get all of like their schools have all the shiny new objects, all the fancy stuff, because there's more tax money going into it. And then the West end can barely buy books. Because there's more poverty and less money going in.

Which was also corrected by busing, right?

So that's what I'm saying. So busing, an affirmative action is course-correcting on that without addressing the central issue of people not being able to purchase houses outside of these preordained

area. Now they can.

Right now they can, but we have years and years worth of four generations worth of ingrained poverty because people in 1965, weren't able to get a quality education or quality opportunities.

And then it just fed. A system it's tough to get out of poverty without.

Yeah. And that goes regardless of your race.

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. There's plenty of poor white people, you know who that's what I'm saying. But I do think it is. Like you and I, our electric bill was never put into our names as a child because our credit scores or because we could have credit scores in the way that minority families will sometimes have to put LG and E on a child's social security number because that child doesn't have bad credit already.

And that's like the kind of stuff.

Yeah. You say that, but I remember I couldn't get electricity you, when I was in another state because my credit was bad. I had to pay a deposit, in order to get electricity. There's ways like it's not this or that, or. Whatever, there are ways to do it.

It's not right, but that was electricity.

But this is if you're a, if you're a five-year-old and that decision just gets made for you, you could chalk that up to shitty parenting. Yeah.

I guess technically they can mess up your credit.

Yeah. Yeah. And that's shitty parenting, but do you know what I'm saying?

But I guess it, it opens the idea of bringing that up is to, just to give an idea of some of the just

the decision survival.

Like you just have to make these survival-based decisions, which aren't in everybody's best interest,

but I'm just saying assigning that to a race is where I get upset because I've been on the completely broke, not having a place to go sleeping in my car situation before.

So like, where's my. Help, who's gonna, who I had to bail myself out. You know what I mean? Don't know. It's just, it's hard to even speak about this. You know what I mean? It's hard to even say this out loud. And then, it's Oh, you're what do people say?

Oh, you're a white guy. So that's why you were able to get a job or something like, like it's just no, I had to I had to hustle and move to another whole nother fucking city and like all kinds of crazy shit that, some people just aren't willing to do.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, no, look, every like I'm not diminishing your struggle at all, or anybody's struggle. I'm just saying that like systemically, there are some things that are a little bit more in our favor and it benefits us to at least examine why that is. And

we should always be aiming for the center of the target.

We should always try to be better than, it's all about bettering ourselves and then in turn bettering society. So

I'm just saying there are opportunity for people. There are opportunity for all people. I think there is now the most opportunity. The internet, like what we're doing now, like we're doing something like, we're not sitting on our ass, like just watching.

We are watching a lot of shows, but like we're not just sitting on our ass and getting fat. Like we're trying to do something like, maybe this won't make money, but at least we're doing something and we have the ability to look for other things. You can Google literally anything.

Like I. I, I saw somebody talking about how. I saw a video of a girl. She was like written like a whole notebook full of songs, but she hadn't recorded any I'm like, I'm just thinking we've got a computer and you've making this video. And like, why didn't you ever, like, why didn't you just Google, how to record a song?

You know what I mean?



What are you waiting for? What are we waiting? It's taken me a long time. I can't really talk because I've waited so long to start making stuff, the, all the information is there and all the opportunity is probably there.

If it feels like it's there.

Yeah. But I'm also saying there's the kids who don't have a computer, don't have internet. They have to go to the library.

Everybody has a phone. Everybody has a phone. Like even these kids that are like 12 years old, nine years old have phones, they have the internet, they have Google,

right?

It's crazy. It's nuts. If you're homeless today, it's man I can't say anything. Cause like I probably it could be, it's possible. Like I could be homeless tomorrow, but there are a lot of resources at our fingertips that we don't realize that are there, Just don't take that extra step to look and like you said, want to blame something or somebody or society or this and that, or these rules or the institution or the whatever, or the man or whatever it is.

And it's you could have just Googled something. You know what I mean?

We all have to, we all have to take responsibility for this is the system we live in and how are we still, how do we function within those systems? But then I think, we should always keep an eye toward how can we make these systems better?

Yeah. That's seems like a good button on that point.

It's a conversation worth having, no, I don't think.

Don't want to come across as the istaphobe. You know what I mean? So that's what I'm saying. Like I just have, cause I've seen, I've seen poverty from an American version of it I've seen in other countries and it's a lot different. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like our version of poverty is still.

We're still doing all right. You still got a roof over your head. You got a bathroom. I got air conditioning. There's other versions of that.

Although I do feel like the homeless population has skyrocketed lately. The last five years has not been great.

You see a lot in your end of town.

Yeah. Yeah, I think the soccer stadium had something to do with it. I think a lot of people were like squatting on that land in like tens and whatnot. So then when they cleared all of that, I think they just, everybody who was living in those areas, fanned out. And so now it's but I feel like it's a law, the intersections every major intersection.

Downtown Highlands I've even seen out in like the South end off of like at the spot, if you're coming off the Fern Valley road, exit on 65, like heading toward ups,

like the same time. I said all of these things, like we have all these opportunities at the exact same time. There are systematic things that are against every single one of us.

Equally



Oh yeah, we have to pay rent. Like that shit is not getting cheaper. It's getting more and more expensive insurance or this or that. It's getting more and more expensive. So the cost of just surviving is going up.

The cost of surviving is going up and the cost of just being poor is untenable.

Like late fees and stuff like that, like really?

Oh yeah. Oh my, my APR and my credit cards is like 29.

Yeah. It's like ungodly. It's just, it shouldn't be that high. There were times when it was illegal to have APRs that high? Huh? Yeah, that's gross. Yeah. So those things in place to keep us where we are and to not get ahead. So like those types of things, like I'm more interested in like, how can we fix those things?

Not how can we if we overall fix that would be a major step, I think, for everyone

am I wrong here? No. No, absolutely. No it's a it almost feels the difference between like local government and federal government, like you're talking a more like global overarching thing, corporations probably have too much control over a lot, that kind of stuff. And I'm taking more like I dunno, just the pros and cons of busing or

the local police are like where people live in general, yeah.

How cities are designed.

Oh yeah, that is, yeah. That's a mind. Mind. Fuck. Yeah, like every city is the same, right?

It's depressing and you're right. You're right. It is designed from the get to keep people down like the working class and certain people of certain colors, from the get. But then again, we're definitely seeing a change. We're definitely seeing. Some progress and I certainly hope so.

I don't think people just don't recognize the progress as much.

Oh yeah. Look, yeah, things are progressing.

I'm trying to think of the right metaphor of unraveling a sweater doesn't make sense. It makes sense. Yeah. It's just, there's a, it's as you take care of more stuff, you realize, Oh, maybe, maybe this was a little jacked up too. So we got to dive into that,

it doesn't help that we're constantly.

It's you fix the things as you go and as you grow and as you get older and things start to get fixed, but there are more institutionalized problems. Like you said...

easy to, it's easy to ride with the status quo. It's just easy to it's. It's easier to just go. Okay. We got a lot of crime.

We need more cops, as opposed to examining, okay, what are the exact reasons that we have more crime and would additional funding to different things other than police work just as well?

Like having a good family unit, a strong family unit. Oh, it's so important.

Oh yeah. But that is a, that's like a long term solution.

You know what I mean? That's like a fundamental,

that is the solution.

But , you can't snap your fingers and have that happen tomorrow. You know what I mean?

If in film and television and movies and music, . The message is the independent person can do it. The, the, that it's okay to leave your woman and sleep around with another girl, or if it's okay to , not even try, the not trying to keep your family together. If that's the message we're telling our kids, then we're fucked for a long time.

Yeah. Yeah, I agree. It's not a great not a great story to tell, the question, is how much of your entertainment do you want to be telling.

Telling the narrative that you want, like an aspirational narrative and how much, or how much is how much of it should be a mirror of what we see in the world.

They call it television programming for a reason.

What we see, what we hear influences our thoughts. It influences the way that we see the world. And that's why, like, when I talk about lyrics, like that's why they're so important to me because it influences the minds of people, and to have just an outpouring of lyrical garbage, like just, it hurts a little bit to know like that's on purpose, man.

Yeah, I think there's a certain amount of there's going to be art that, that tells the story of what's happening right now. And then there's going to be art that tells a more aspirational story, I think. And

yeah. And the great thing now is that we do get to pick The more aspirational stuff, we have the option to pick it, which is great.

Speaking of aspirational, have you seen soul.

Yes. Yes. I was going to bring that up too. One soul is so

good. Everyone watch it. That's the,

please watch it. It's so good.

That's it? We're just gonna leave on the soul bit. Everybody watched soul again, watch it. Yeah.

Also speaking of family, And the family unit have you seen I've I'm super late to the game on this.

And it just happened this way cause I've been wanting to see it since it came out. But I finally watched a quiet place.

I haven't seen that.

Oh buddy. Oh, man. That is a movie about family. That is a movie about the film. Okay. Family. Yes. Yes, it

is. It's a horror film. Oh, okay. What platform or film

with some aliens worth your time.

What platform is that? It's not streaming for free anywhere.

Okay. Yeah. But all right. Movies, films to check out a quiet place and soul.



Yeah, there was a,

Like D like as far as art, should

art have a purpose? Was helping a friend with her. She was doing a project. She was getting her masters in visual arts. And she had this project that was basically like an, like a big installation piece. It was one of those, like you walk in and you got stuff to do.

It's not just, you just walk in and look at the art. So at one point I asked, I was like, so what kind of like emotion are you trying to evoke out of this? She was like not, and I was like, that's weird. And then she explained it to me of This just exists now. And. Whatever people do with it, or whatever happens to it, is whatever.

And she didn't, she was like, I'm not trying to like, evoke anything out of anybody or lead them in a direction, or even if there's nothing. And I was like, I was she explained it to me and it seems like something that they had talked a lot about. Yeah. Like a professor in their program, but I still wasn't on board with.

No I, I don't get it. If art is a weapon used against us on a regular basis, based on the programming that we're receiving, isn't it our duty to make art that has a purpose and a message that can maybe help some people. That's how I feel about it. To just be like, ah, it's just a blob of whatever is you're doing yourself and people a disservice.

Even if they, even if you have a purpose and maybe they don't interpret it that way, at least you tried, like it's okay to interpret it differently. I everybody's gonna interpret.

Yeah. Everybody has a diff not every there's really only two ways it could go, but the end of inception is left open-ended for people to make their own decision about whether or not the the top.

Falls down or it keeps spinning. Yeah. Like you can purposefully leave stuff up for interpretation, but at least be something there, some sort of backbone there.

But this is all new to me too. A little bit. When I wrote songs for born yesterday, I would have a vague idea and then create the song.

And now when I write it is very

like very specific ideas, it's

very, for a purpose.

Gotcha.

Yeah. And yeah. Yeah. That's all, that's like sometimes my idea is for born yesterday, songs would be like, Oh something about an ex a breakup or whatever, or,

just based like really level one ideas, what happened when somebody got kicked out of their house or, some, just a basic.

And now it's okay, how can I take what I know now about humanity? And then like where I want humidity to go and then what can I put in there? So it's like

way

higher level, but then how can I also relate to those base levels? So it's I'm trying to put all those layers in there. When I write a song, no, if that makes any sense.

No, that makes a lot of sense.

Yeah. And which is why this is why I think star Wars sticks with us is because they put those bigger aspects of reality in there, the spirituality of the force and destiny, those types of questions at the hero's journey. So to speak in the story from the get. And I think that's why it sticks with us so much, even though the actual quality of the production or the writing is not necessarily.

Nine out of 10,

it's those

deeper meanings of things that people resonate with.

That's all I got.

No, that's beautiful. Light. Yeah. No, you're not wrong at all. There's there's so much about star Wars that That people latch onto, some of it is, yeah. Some of it's laser swords, some of it's the, like Western aspect of it with the blasters.

And some of it is the top gun aspect of, dog fights in the air. And and then there's the spirituality of it and the mysticism of it and the mythology of it. And Yeah. And there's a lot of, there's a lot of points of entry and then there's a lot of universality to it that a lot of people can latch onto, they have the thing that brings them in at first, but then, the whole thing that kind of carries them through.

Speaking of making things and making art our song will be out January 16th.

January 16th.

I think I mentioned this, but yeah, just, Mark your calendar and then we're working on some new stuff, which is yeah. We're working on it.

Yeah.

Yeah. Getting a little heavier with this next song. It's going to be a little more little darker. I think it'll

rock. Yeah. Yup. Yeah. Yeah. A little bit more sump to it.

A little thump. What else? Oh, we should talk about the drama if you stayed to the end to hear us talk about the drama then this is it.

So we got Pablo who a dog had to her

adult

Pablo look, doggo who's the head of the Lucasfilm story group. Yep. Not a low position over there at the Lucas film. Correct. Poking fun at the largest star Wars YouTuber who has more subscribers than the official star Wars channel itself for crying when Luke showed up.

Yeah. Pulled up his actual, like his actual comment and it was what he posted on Twitter was emotions are not for sharing. That's what he wrote.

That is exactly what he wrote in a private, like semi-private conversation. I believe it was like his Twitter is private or something. So like only certain people can see it.

So there was like a thread and somebody before him had already bashed him and

then

emotions are not for sharing.

Got it.

So he is just. Doubling down on top of the beating somebody else while they're already down.

I gotcha.

Like it could have been open to interpretation except for the fact that it doesn't seem like it to me.

And maybe you can take the other side on this, but to me it seems like he's obviously a coconut. Okay. Adam, a little bit here.

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know I don't know much about this situation. Don't didn't know who Pablo Hidalgo was until, last week. And and I don't know who the YouTuber is, who who was emotional

star Wars.

I just know that the reaction that I saw from people that I know who are. Yeah. Star Wars fans was all very similar. Like really hit a lot of people in the f. Yeah. Seeing this beloved character come back and come back in, in all of his glory. Yeah, anybody like shitting on people having an emotional reaction to something

which was obviously the.

The reason for doing it, it seems

are, Oh yeah. Yeah. The whole idea is, yeah, like you don't bring Luke Skywalker back to night. Try to evoke some sort of emotion out of people. So yeah now what I find interesting about that comment and, this is me taking it completely out of context.

Cause I don't know what the thread is. I just literally Wikipedia Pablo Hidalgo to be able to have some sort of entry point into this conversation . So the line emotions are not for sharing. It just made me think, if you're somebody whose whole job is to categorize, is to own the card catalog of Star Wars.

Emotions are not for sharing. So five words, it feels a little like Jedi E you know what I mean?

Like it,

yeah. Like he's trying to say be more of a Jedi don't



Don't let your emotions take over

like that. Exactly. Just in reading that and having

that's your interpretation,

3% context of what it was of what was going on. Obviously like giving the guy that any sort of benefit of the doubt.

I can see a world where that like his, either his direct intention is to relate it to some sort of like Jedi thing or an indirect. Trying to be funny. Lot of people get burned on the internet, trying to be funny. People get burned in life, trying to be funny. Yeah. Being funny as hard, I've tried to make a career out of it and failed.

So I can say a lot of people get in trouble. Myself included. I've tried to be funny and it's gotten me in trouble at work and various other places. It could be trying to be funny and whatever, or it could be him being like, there could also be like some subtexts that we don't know about, have you seen mythic quest? No. Nope. Okay. It could be a situation where there's some backstory between the Star Wars theory person and the Lucasfilm. I don't know if they have any sort of like interaction or whatever, but if there's beef there, if there's underlying beef, maybe there's something.

Yeah.

Here's what we know. We know Pablo Hidalgo has antagonized Star Wars fans for a long time. There are tweets of his that are condescending toward several. Like smaller star Wars, influencers, YouTubers.

Okay.

So what's happened here is he did it to somebody that's too big.

Okay.

So everybody finds out about it now.

And that's the problem. So this is Pablo Hidalgo, his character. He's just doing the same thing that he's been doing. Okay. Just being. Man to like, he was very vocal about people that didn't like the last jet, I, and like basically calling them out and being stupid because you didn't like it.

You know what I mean? Like

Right

that kind of thing. And so to do this to theory is like a WTF moment and it's to, I imagine that Lucas film, it's a clusterfuck. I imagine they're all freaking out a bit because this does not make Star Wars look good.

No,

or

Lucasfilm. Yep.

So I, I don't know what, I don't know if they're supposed to, are they supposed to fire the guy?

I don't know, but if I had a guy like that in my company that was antagonizing my customers, I would be a little upset. Like we got nine subscribers and if I went to the nine subscribers channels and said, you're stupid for liking my channel. That would be the dumbest thing I could possibly do



Absolutely.

You know what I'm saying? So I, what kind of employee is this guy?

What's interesting in reading about what his role is. And again, this is all Wikipedia, right? It sounds like he's shoved away in a corner with two other people. And their job is just to it's just to be the encyclopedia knowledge and then help with help put together like the art books and make sure to fact check everything.

It's almost like they're. Not replacing George Lucas, in the way that they, that I'm sure people could have been like, Hey George, what's the Wookie language, now it's well, George doesn't work here anymore. You got a text, one of these other people, what planet

is like this, or, whatever.

And it located compared to that. Yeah. He's like an archive of star Wars knowledge, and I'm sure Disney is asking themselves right now if they have another person that



As

well, there's two other people on the team. The story

group. Yeah.

According to Wikipedia. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah there, there might only be two on the team next week,

right?

Yeah. Don't shit on your fan base even. Yeah. Even if they're wrong,

even right. Fucking wrong,

Yeah. Or make a burner account. Yeah. Come on man. Oh Steve Smithens says. Emotions. Aren't a big deal, whatever yeah. Nobody cares about Steve's opinion or Steve doesn't work at loose Lucasfilm.

So nothing to do there,

being a half comedy podcast, I was wondering where we were going to get to the comedy.

. Let's let's examine more institutionalized racism.

I'm hoping that having conversations about institutionalized racism. Helps to get people to care

might as well. ?

So if Hidalgo is just saying.

Be more like a Jedi you're trying to evoke an emotion. Bringing Luke back. Why would you say that then?

Yeah.

And sure. Having that be your thumbnail is a picture of you crying. Yeah. That can be click baity, but if that's what actually fucking happened.

Mmm

nobody's arguing with that.

Everybody that watches that video sees him really cry, like he's really reacting to it. I know there are some people that can fake that, but I don't feel like this guy is doing that there. There's a reason. This guy has a number one Star Wars utuber and it's because he loves star Wars and he makes up his own star Wars stories.

And he goes into every aspect of star Wars that you and I can't even think about like that. That's the reason that he's that.

Yeah.

Yeah. And so for him to see Luke Skywalker and cry, that makes total sense.

Yeah, absolutely. He's obviously devoted a large percentage of his life to this story and these characters and this universe.



He also made the fan film Vader. Did you see that?

No, I didn't bro. Yeah.

It's

insane. The YouTube? Yeah. Cool. How long has it?

It's maybe 15 minutes.

Oh, okay, great.

Oh man. You'll freak out, bro. It's insane. It's insane. He spent hundreds of thousands of dollars creating this

thing.

Yeah, it's it's full on

If this guy is in fact the locked away in a cave, Keeping up the scrolls of encyclopedic, knowledge of Star Wars,

not the funnest job.

Not

the funnest job and doesn't lend itself to the most tactful type of person. You know what I mean?

It's more,

I don't know, like

it's not being a people person, you're being a essentially a file clerk.

So yeah, maybe yeah, maybe there's some social skills there that that he hasn't quite picked up on because yeah, not at the time of the place, bro.

Yeah.. What do we do with this guy? Yeah, he doesn't know how

to work. If there is a if there's already a group of people shitting on people or shitting on this guy, then maybe it's a, I want to be one of the cool kids scenario.

Or

If there's, if, because if that comment was in like a thread of comments of all people, like giving Star Wars theory dude a hard time, maybe it's I want to be a, I want to be one of the cool kids.

Why do you not have a burner account is beyond me.

Why do you take the comment and then post it as your Twitter profile picture?

Oh, yeah.

Took it. It put posted as his header.

. Yeah. Come on. Header picture. Can't be doing that. That's me.

Yeah. That's just outright mean is what it is. Yeah.

Don't be mean,

don't be mean.



I mean. It's not what we're here to do.

What's been fun, Ben. Thank you.

Thank you, man. This has been I thought today was going to be a short one. I was like, we're not going to have that much to talk about. This is gonna, and then here we are

two hours later,

two hours later,

this is probably the longest episode we ever had.

Yup. We'll see. There's plenty to cut out.

Okay, so thank you for watching the podcast. What I want to say to people.

Oh do us a favor and hit us with that and subscribe and throw in a comment. If you got some thoughts on what we were talking about, let us know.

Yeah. Let us know if we went too far off the rails and we'll catch you on the next one.

Yeah. Appreciate you.

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Welcome to the, is this entertainment podcast

with your host entertainment,

Benjamin Mmm Owens and

shake hands That Jacob Aaron,

Yes. We got a lot to talk about this.

Yeah. Big day. This time. So we're going talk we're gonna talk a little bit about rebels cause we've been hinting at it on all kinds of episodes . And we are also going to talk about some larger Star Wars, directional stuff, and ...

some

drama

Drama, and the Lucas film. Department world.

Yeah. What's going on with these people. They got the best job in the world sounds like they, I don't know, we'll get into it. We'll get into it.

So keep listening and thanks everybody for listening. , I put this message in front of the last video, but if you're on YouTube and you. You don't have an hour to watch the whole thing. Just hit the save button and it'll pop back up in your feed later

What? See that's the technology stuff that I just don't know about.

Yeah.

That's pretty cool.

That's cool word.

Yeah.

So yeah, I finally finished rebels.

I'm so proud of you.

Yeah, it's done. We did it. Really did they know? That the show was ending when they made the last couple of episodes.

Yeah, I would think so why I could have kept going.

Sure. I'm just saying like they deliberately left it like completely open-ended as far as what happens with. Ezra, everyone and thrawn. And it's it's a little, cliffhangery a little bit. Yeah. For a show that knew they were putting into it or was it so much forethought that they were like, all right, we're gonna pick this up, but we're going to pick it up later.

Live action.

It seems to me, it seems to me like forethought. It was probably an either or so they probably had two options. They could go live action. And if it wasn't approved, then of course they could backdoor back and just do another season. Or a different show, further in the future.

Yeah. Certainly don't think that they were planning on doing a, Rebels TV show live action, but picking up that story in a soca or whatever else.

Yeah. And we're going to go heavy spoilers.

Do we think, Oh yeah, this is 100% spoiler territory. This is if you haven't watched rebels, you know what?

Put it down. It's been a week later on in the podcast where we talk about. Star Wars in general.

Yeah. Ahsoka. And so now, the logo and what it means,

right? Oh yeah. So the logo on, on the soca show is of the little tunnel situation.

The world between worlds. Yes. Yes. Official vernacular.

Yeah. There was like a little, there was a little exposition in there and I I went back to rewatch it, but then life started happening and I had to put, I had to turn the show off. But somebody was explaining how that place worked. No, not okay. Let me go back.

Think it was Ahsoka because when he pulled her out, they, it was, that was the only really explanation was the conversation between the

two there was

seeing the emperor .

So there was, I feel like there was something about the. There being like a father, son daughter situation. Oh

Yeah.

It was like a whole mythology behind

it. The whole mythology behind that, behind the war, the world between the worlds. Ooh, Ooh.

That's a the themascera situation.

The mascara. So are we saying that a soca is. The daughter or is it the owl thing? That's the daughter.

I think they're just saying, Hey, world between worlds stuff is coming.

Okay. I think that's all. I think they're just saying we're about to mess stuff up.

Okay. I guess just, I'm just curious as to whether

or not he does follow her around.

Yeah. Is she the she and Ezra and third person that we don't know destined to be like, is it like a Neo situation where every couple of generations, someone is born into this to the one,

so you're analyzing mythology as if it's like something that's going to happen. But I think it's something that has already happened. Like it's the father, daughter, son is just

something that's happened in the past to create the thing

to start. Oh, okay. All right. So you think that was a starting off point? Those people are. Long gone. And however, this moves forward is, however,

this is moving. There are effectively like forced gods maybe equivalent to the Holy Trinity or some maybe other what am I trying to say?

Mythology that exists or

yeah,

Cause there's definitely like a father. There's more, I would say more father, mother,

son. Okay.

So they're taking like a little bit, this is their own, license on it. I think so like father, and this like father, son, Holy ghost, like father, mother, son.

So

this is their

take on mythology in general.

And I need to go back and research this. Research, I need to go back and research those cartoons. Yeah. This cartoon show, but the depiction of the people on the mural, with hands and all that business.

It reminded me of the episode in clone Wars where Anakin and obiwan and maybe a soca are trapped on that planet where it's the father, the daughter, and the son who are Kind of keepers of the force or the balance of the force and the sun represents the dark side and he's growing more powerful.

And then they show Anakinwhat he's going to become, but then ultimately erase that memory.

Yeah. So it's more like a cosmic force situation, cosmic God cosmic overall, like just the most zoomed out. Version of the forest as like in its simplest and its second simplest form. Like the simplest form will be like one thing.

The next simplest would be like male and female, which they're not really depicting. They are depicting it as in father daughter, Traditionally, it might be father, mother. So they got father and then they've got daughter and son, which are the male and female counterparts

of each other.

So they're breaking it down. It's like second simplest form of what the universe is.

So I guess my question was, that's not the same dude on the mural, right? Yeah. Cause I thought they looked similar. Are those the same people on the mural? Yeah, I think so. Okay. All right. Because the sun

in a long time, but I think so

the sun looked like the guy I'll look it up later.

I'll look it up later. We'll bring it back up some other time. But I was, I thought that that maybe those guys were elemental to this. This new thing.

Yeah. They're basically like the gods, right? Like the superior Supreme gods. Essentially.

Yeah.

If there's such a thing in Star Wars,

Yeah, like

I'd love to know what his medical area encounters.

Jesus.

Two guys drinking coffee,

two guys, drink your coffee. Welcome back. I've got a I'm drinking a a medium roast from a brand called elixir out of Philadelphia. That sounds fancy. Yeah. Yeah. It's got a little, it's got some floral notes. What kind of

beans?

I have no idea that it's a normal kind of, yeah.

Yeah. I was talking to

a Arabica,

that one of the people that listened to the podcast and he recommended Kona coffee.

Oh yeah.

Yeah. Cause it's from

Hawaii.

So when they import it, they don't have to spray it. So you get less chemicals in your

coffee. Nice. The Kona has it's really that like darker, darker.

It's strong. It's strong. Yeah. Yeah. But no, that stuff is the jam, especially. Yeah.

I think they can roast it different ways. Like you don't have to roast it a particular way, but it's definitely stronger from what I can tell. Great. Yeah.

Have you been to the islands? Have you drank it from the source?

No. The only thing I can compare to is Thai coffee.

Tell me about tag coffee. It's

amazing. Okay. Here's the thing about Thai? Like when you go to Thailand, they have Starbucks.

Yeah.

But it is literally the worst coffee you can get, because you can go

sure.

You can go to any coffee shop anywhere, even seven 11, and they're going to have the coffee beans from Thailand, and then they're going to make your cup of coffee right there. And they're going to grind the beans right in front of you.

Nice.

So you're getting a fresh cup of clean coffee and it is, it's amazing.

Yeah. I don't even know how to. It's

amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Are you are you a cream and sugar guy?

Oh yeah. I'm a cream and sugar guy. I've been cutting back a little bit. See like sometimes like when I'm trying to fast I I do coffee with no creamer, no sugar

in the

morning. Like the first coffee will be no cream, no sugar.

And then a couple hours later I'll do cream and sugar.

Yeah. Gotcha. Yeah.

Yeah. Intermittent fast,

see, I will I'll scale up scale back as the day goes. So I'll start off with a cream and just like the tiniest, tiniest little bit of sugar at this point. It's not even, I don't think it's necessary.

I think I'm just doing it out of habit. And then as the day progresses, it'll get to black. Oh, definitely.

Yeah. When I say sugar, honey.

Ah yes.

So I use honey and I use

what is the milk

from like the milk from the farm? You know what I mean? Like the local,

like the non-pasteurized it's

low heat pasteurized.

This one is

a low heat.

Yeah. Interesting to get some of the, a little more of the the goodness.

I had an oat milk latte from From full-stop here and here in town. And I guess it at old milk was the jam. He liked the oat milk. Yeah. When that bed I would prefer it to almond milk, I think.

Yeah. Yeah.

I take that back. I was allergic to almond. I was, I am allergic to almonds as far as I know

still,

but I've had recently I've tested it and it's not as bad as it used to be,

but he's cool.

Like almonds would close my throat up and I would think I was dying. So

that was good. Is that like an all tree nuts kind of thing?

Or is it just almonds?

Yeah, it's weird. It's seems to have gone away, which is really weird.

I

don't know. I used to have a lot of food allergies, I don't know. I don't know. I don't even know where we're going with this, but they've all seemed to go away, which is

great. Age helps. Yeah.

That's awesome.

Yeah.

When when my nephews were little, they were allergic to eggs and then they grew out of that.

I just started eating eggs like last year.

That was great.

Oh, speaking of which happy new year.

Happy new year, 20, 21. Today I wore my, my, my baby out at 2020. Wow.

Yeah, you have to.

Yep. Oh man. New year new me, I have decided to start working out again, like for real, with some like real kind of Gusto behind it. Awesome. Especially since I've been just eating cookies non-stop since thanksgiving. So I worked out yesterday. It was real light, but the day before I didn't even go hard, but I am so sore right now.

Yeah. All of this. Let's just say from going from seated to standing, I'm making some old man noises that's for sure.

Oh yeah, man. I can't hardly bend over anymore. I've

just

out of people. Yeah. Like, why are you putting stuff at the bottom of the refrigerator, honey? I

can't get down.

How do I get a step stool, but for the bottom? Yeah.

Okay. I need one of those chairs just to roll around the house.

There you

go. Electric chair. No I've been working out too, actually. Yeah. Yeah. New year new you.

Yeah. I think, it's time to holidays is a time to let go a little bit.

And then, now it's time to clean it back up.

And it's been only a few days in 2021, and I already feel like the days are lasting longer. Have you

had that experience? Yeah. Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah. We're past the Equinox soo. The days are lasting long. The light is lasting longer.

But literally it feels like time is slowing down a little bit.

Ah, like

I feel like I have more time now.

Yeah. Like

I don't know what I'm talking about, but it just seems like 2020 went by really fast. Did you notice that? Did it feel that way to you?

Oh, incredibly fast. Yeah.

Incredibly fast. Now part of that is being unemployed for. Two thirds of it, but for me at least. And if you told me, if you asked me like what I did in may, couldn't tell ya, argued with unemployment. I remember that a lot. That's a, that was a lot of my Mae

key that my unemployment has been easy, except the only problem is my unemployment.

I have to file it in a different state and it's less because I work out

that's disappointing.

I would have got to follow my state. I would have been sitting pretty right now.

Interesting. Yeah.

Good times, unemployed, fellas.

Talking about

Star Wars

and coffee and depression.

This is a really loose podcast.

Yeah. Real loose so far. If you're still bringing it back in, let's bring it back in.

Speaking of things coming up, we do have. We did finish the song

and,

It, it will be on all the platforms built

January 16th.

We'll put a link. I think there's a pre-saved link I can get I can put that in the description of the video or on the website. Is this entertainment.com. If you want to pre save it, I'm doing more

takes.

You wanna run that back? You wanna try it again?

No. Okay. Okay.

Sounds good.

Yeah. So I'm excited about making new music too, Ben.

Yup. Luke, I think my chair just broke.

Get your Metallica with winning guitars on.

Yeah.

It's you're good. You need to adjust your chair. They break.

No, I'm good.

I fixed it. I'm sitting on a little Ottoman thing that has like a, it's one of those you can flip the cushion and turn it into a table. And sometimes if I Jostle about too much, you get

you slide off.

Yep. Pretty much.

Yeah. All right. So let's bring it back in

Is Canaan a loth Wolf now.

Yes, I think we've I think he can put his consciousness

into a local. Okay. Because

the Loth Wolf would have been alive probably when he was alive. So it

probably right, because the lone Wolf would like, looked at him and said doom. Which is the

Daniel name.

So yeah,

I'm going to go with transfer of consciousness.

Okay. Yeah. So we think from that point forward, not that point, but from his explosion forward, his consciousness went into the loth Wolf that keeps helping.

Yeah, I think it was just maybe even just for that time when he needed to help them.

You know what I mean?

Yeah. And then from there he went back, he just dissipated into the ether, the living yeah. Force

of living force, if you will. Yes.

Yes. Interesting.

Yeah. Some brand new concepts in rebels like

brand

spanking new,

right? Yeah. You got you got whales that can

space

whales that the yep space whales that can.

Jumped a hyperspace or hyper-speed that's super rad.

Yeah. I hated it at first. And now I'm on board.

Yeah. I when they first showed up, I was like, okay there should be there should there's there, right? Yeah. There should be some sort of life form that has figured out. This. And yeah, I didn't hate it, but I also wasn't like, I don't need this to go anywhere.

So then when they came back, I was like, Oh, what a fun way to bring them back. Yeah.

Full circle to my space is water theory as well.

Absolutely. Definitely tapping into that.

Yeah. However they can fly apparently in the atmosphere. So

What else? Oh the the

Bindu

the sky.

Oh, yeah. That dude. What is his whole thing, man? He turned into a storm.

Yeah. He's basically like a God or something like an hour level. Deity.

He reminded me of the w is it good, Mark? No. Good. Mark is the Wolf dog in never-ending story.

What's the turtle. Oh, you reminded me of the sneezy turtles.

Yeah. I can see that.

Yeah. Like just less like the turtles a little bit more apathetic. Yeah. Yeah.

Turtle was grumpy.

Yeah.

Full on storm. Full on like just deity.

Yes.

I haven't seen it. So I'm just saying there's a lot of things in rebels that are introduced in star Wars that are new, like brand new concepts to this universe galaxy far, far away.

Yeah. There's yeah, it's at what point does, is I guess is there a point where you become so strong with the force that you. Morph into one of these beings and there is it just like a spectrum? That would be cool.

The highest level we've seen of actual morphing is just like force ghost level.



That would be cool if you could morph into an like deity that would be another way to maybe bring Luke back, or if you don't just 86, the whole shebang, which can you now see what I'm talking about? It should be clear, right?

Yeah. I just think there's I don't think it makes sense from a.

I don't know, running a movie studio standpoint or a, entertainment studio standpoint to.

Like retcon not even, retcon just blow up all of this established stuff. Plus aside from the fact that they've already done that with the extended universe

episode seven. Did well, because star Wars came back then episode eight came out and a large percentage of the star Wars fandom did disliked

eight.

And then so nine came out and they had the lowest numbers of any of the three. And that trajectory is not so good. So if you're going downhill and then you bring back Luke Skywalker? And your numbers go through the roof. You get the most Disney plus subscribers. You get the most like rewatching and statistics.

You can see them, from a Disney point of view and you go, okay, maybe we should bring back Luke. Maybe we should do what people wanted in the first place.

But you can do that without negating anything from seven, eight, nine. Okay. They can, if this is the trick and put stories, they can put stories in between that timeframe all the live long day.

Yeah. There's plenty of time where they like this. This is not going to happen like tomorrow. Like even after. Another season of Mandalorian or whatever. Like it's going to be a while, but as Luke evolves and grows up, I think we'll get to a point. And it'll be like in Ahsoka showing Luke into the world between worlds type situation where like you could have went this way and it will be a reference to seven and then they could easily just take them out of it and be like making a different decision at a different point.

I think there's so much danger in

you just keep saying that, but let's look at the IMDBs score. You know what I mean? Let's

look at it.

. If you take if they said, all right tomorrow, we're going to do or not. Even tomorrow,

there's a difference between a five minute scene with Luke being a bad-ass in the Mandalorian and replacing him with another actor. Because you would have to, or doing a completely digital character and doing either a Disney plus show or another trilogy around. And

Look at solo, they tried it with another actor and it didn't do well. So bringing him back for five minutes in the Mandalorian and having it be awesome is an attainable goal. Doing an entire trilogy there's so much more, or even let's just say doing one, one more movie with Luke has so much so much more Opportunity for failure.

There's so many landmines that you can fall into that

They'll have test it as they go.

Like they, if they bring more back to

the next thing to high risk for the reward

and the next season of Mandalorian, there's a good chance. They'll bring Luke back, right? Yup. So that is more testing ground. Yeah, but

you still have to smoke and mirrors him and do all this crazy.



They might switch to an actor. They might just be like, Hey, let's just try it. You know what I mean?

Why not use that time and energy on creating something new?

If everybody loves Luke and that's what everybody

wants. Yeah. But there's still the danger that you're going to have half the audit and say that's not the way I envisioned Luke. You can get it right for five minutes. Are you going to get it right for 120 minutes?

Yeah. I think I think it'll be a testing ground, right?

So I think they'll do maybe a little more loop in the next one, just to see if they're going the right way. You know what I mean? There that's the advantage of doing shows is that they can write, they can do, okay. This episode we'll do this and we'll explore this character, and if people like it, then they can expand it and do more.

It's just like a soca. They did it and then. They planned on doing Ahsoka anyway, but if they did it and then it didn't turn out good enough for them, they could have decided this isn't working the way we wanted it.

I fully believe that, there that at multiple points in time, they were ready to give up on Ahsoka, not much give up, but just be done with her story, you could, I could see clone Wars being just the end of her story. I don't know that, yeah. They leave it open-ended enough for her to come back. And even in rebels, they.

They sat with her being, crumbled underneath the sith temple for a season plus.

That could have been the end of it.

So it could have been a thing where like, all right we're talking about what if we brought a soca into the Mandalorian? Okay. How would we do that?

All right. So then we're going to need an episode of rebels to bring them well, here's

what is happening, right? It feels like there's two different entities at Lucasfilm trying to make decisions. And that's part of what all this drama is. That's part of what everyone is upset about. Lucasfilm in general, right?

It's it seems like there's a John Fabro Filoni star Wars angle, and there's a Kathleen Kennedy star Wars angle as far as agenda or. Storytelling

types. Okay.

And the Kathleen Kennedy star Wars storytelling is the Ray that we got the like very heavy female led centric type stuff.

And then the Filoni and Fabro is the bringing back what we like about star Wars from my point of view.

Okay.

And then the story group

I don't know what the story group is, but they seem to be in charge of it or over, they have to just amalgamate all of the information and just is that even a word? They have to just take all the information and make it work, and make sure and just keep people in check.

Like you, make sure that they go to the right planets or whatever, right. And speaking of story group, do we, should we talk about the story about the drama?

Let's focus in on what you just said there for a second. Okay. So

Kathleen Kennedy, president of Lucasfilm,

CEO president. Yeah.

So something like that. So

I get that she's technically in charge of the Mandalorian, but it seems to me the decisions that are being made in the Mandalorian are not ones that she would make.

You see what I'm

saying? They're more like she's giving Favreau and Filoni okay. Just do what you think people want to watch.

Okay. You know what I mean?

And what gives you that impression?

Just the storytelling. Like it's I know people that didn't even watch Rise of Skywalker and they watch the Mandalorian because it reminds them of star Wars.

So why not associate that? If we're associating all the good of the Mandalorian with the show runner and director.

Whereas with, I guess the main writers really? Yeah. Cause Favreau and Filoni pretty much write everything. Then why aren't we associating the movies with JJ and Rian Johnson? Why are we associating that with Kathleen Kennedy?

And do you have an excellent point? Yeah. And maybe it isn't, it wasn't Kathleen Kennedy, maybe it was JJ and Ryan Johnson that, that kind of.



Because I think it's easier for us as a society to blame, to say it's the woman's fault or even to say okay there's or even just to put that spin on it, to say Okay, for instance,

Oh here,

rogue one was directed by a guy. Yeah,

exactly. This is why you can assign that to Catherine Kennedy because of rogue one main character chick, a solo main character Han, but really, it was Kira's story.

So I think I can

star Wars, original chair. Logy Carrie Fisher. Prominent role.

I'm just saying, I'm just saying, you know what it is. Yeah. Ryan Johnson turned the story into a place they couldn't go back from. So I'm not, I don't want to not give him credit for Taking a deep dive

right

off the cliff.

Because there was no going back from that, the only way they could have went back was, yeah, they should have had Luke just teleport instead of disappear and die, they could have had them teleport somewhere and like actuality, but like the whole like green milk drinking thing and all that stuff.

Like what WTF. Yeah, definitely Rian Johnson had a lot to do with the direction of the neutralities, but there were other star Wars movies, which is why I'm mentioning Kathleen Kennedy. And then I feel like she's not, and you're right. I drawing inferences from like the ether. I don't really know that as she doesn't have.

Influence over the Mandalorian or you know what I'm saying

that way. My thought is like as an executive at that level,

it wouldn't matter. She was a she or a heat for the record. I would still be saying the same

thing.

I, yeah.

You don't know if, but if she

was. And I'm trust me, I'm upset about what Rian did.

Like as much as I love the last jet I still think Ryan changed the trajectory of star Wars for the works because he left nowhere for that. I feel

like he opened it up.

He left nowhere for the story to go.

That's not true

For... the characters that we were following.

If. There's some big gifts here, but and I'll try to relate it to Harry Potter for a second.

The first movie has so much to do with Han solo being this I don't know, kind of father figure. To Rey, but it's very much like a, it's a Han solo. Of the original people of the original trilogy, main three, that first movie is very much a hymn movie. That second movie is very much a Luke movie and the idea was the third movie was going to be very much a Carrie Fisher movie.

One of Ray's main lines is I need somebody to show me my part in this. So she's looking for that person to show her the, her part in this. So if Carrie Fisher. Doesn't tragically pass away after the second movie, then

we would have got a different film.

We would've gotten a completely different third film and and I think it would have, it just would have congealed a little bit more

did Ryan Johnson take some huge left turns from what was established in force awakens? Absolutely. JJ is really good at having these Like it's throwing out all of these like mystery, mysterious possibilities, it's all over lost. It's the rabbit's foot in mission.

Impossible. Three of we got to get this thing. What is the thing do it's so bad. You don't want to know that's it. So he's really good at throwing all of these things that like, could potentially be part of things at the wall. And then. Rian Johnson pares it down a little bit. So some of these things matter, some of these don't.

And then it going back to JJ after obviously whatever Colin Trevor was doing, wasn't working. And then you still have, an established timeline of when the film is supposed to come out. Ryan Johnson was originally supposed to write the third movie.

Which would have made sense. Cause then he would have, from a continuity standpoint, pushed, told, tied everything up. But then I think that was also them as a team, not realizing that him writing and directing the second movie was going to take so much out of him that writing the third movie within that timeline wasn't plausible.

At the end of the day.

How do you feel though? Like when you watch rise of Skywalker at the end of it, are you like, yeah. Rey Skywalker, you really, you embrace that.

Yeah. Why not?

Okay. It just feels wonky to me. It just feels okay, they're just like, this is just,

yeah. It's

like her fan service.

She didn't like it's established early on that she longed for some sort of, parental, but then when she

found out what it was, she didn't embrace it. I'm not saying she should have.

Wait, hold up. When she found out what, Oh, what, like what

her parents were when she found out she was a pal,

but they're not like.

I'm saying she's actively looking for a like actual living role model, and then they put that together between the three of them. Yeah. So

it showed her for a half, a second dark Rey. Like she could have went that way. You know what I mean?

Oh yeah, she could have, but then.

You can't sell as many toys,

you can't, yeah. That's a big swing to take your main character or one of your main characters and turn them, completely.

I think that at least it would have given her an arc. You know what I mean?

Yeah. It definitely would have been, the Denaris Targaryon way.



And then,

have been so low, kill her as the. As being a force

redeem himself. Yeah.

That would have been right.

There've have been a great story.

That could have been a real interesting story. Definitely. But I, I think that story would lend a little bit too much to the idea of it being predestined and not being about the choices that you make.

If it was, Oh, she's she was born a Palpatine. So she was always going to be evil in the end, whereas, even going back to Anik and it's about the choices that they make, that. Put them on that path. So she chose to stay on the path of good Luke chose to stay on the path of good after he

a more interesting story would have been, go with, this is why I liked the last Jedi.

What I liked about it was the she's nobody, but she makes the decision for herself. If she would have continued to make the decision for herself and not been a nobody. And then went dark, then it would have been a very interesting story. And I think you would have the opposite, right? So you would have that kind of the opposite of Luke story.

I think what ends up is that she's well, I guess she does claim being a Jedi, but her having the yellow light saber at the end, doesn't that mean that she's chosen like a more like middle of the road. Luke was saying that, the jet I needed to end and that it's all about being in balance with the dark and the light.

Yeah.

It's a test that I just like. Man. I just wish that movie was not such a train wreck. If I can't believe I'm saying this out loud, but I think your premise is right about Rian Johnson. If he would've just wrote the next movie, if he had an idea for where it was supposed to go, then maybe it would have made more sense,

yeah.

I just feel like it went so off the rails that it's I'm not going to feel bad one bit. If they really. If they just do alternate universe or whatever, they gotta do multi multi-verse or whatever, because it's just, it's too wack, man. There's just too many Mcguffins in that movie.

It's too

much.

what should have happened was they should have. And, that's the thing maybe they did. And ma maybe Carrie Fisher's death really did just derail the whole plan because if they had like a full blown, this is what the arc of the three movies is going to be. And hashed that out a little bit more than I think it would have been, a much more enjoyable product and a much more cohesive story.

Yeah.

Yeah. And it's, it's a real tragedy. That happened.

Oh, absolutely.

And I can't imagine like trying to write rise of Skywalker after Carrie Fisher's passed away.

Yeah. And using, okay. Let's go back. Look at all the footage. What cut lines of hers do we have that are usable? And how in the world do we write around that?

Yeah. And that's how you get always trust the droid or whatever the line, right?

Oh my goodness. I know it could be better. So I'm looking at the IMDP scores episode seven when it came out 7.9. So that's like basically an eight though, episode seven and eight and we

go to episode.

Eight and it's a seven and then we go to episode nine and it's a 6.6. I do want to remind you that IMDB does not count one star scores.

Okay. And they're averaging. So if a bunch of people rated at one star, those are not included. So to get a 6.6, it's like an amalgamation of two stars to 10 stars. So that's more like a five point something.

What I'm saying

is that it's not so great. That's so good. That's my point. So it's obviously it's deteriorating, like you can't, how can you go from there to the next story to where do you go?

Like you just take Ray to somewhere. You're not going to have Luke all the characters. They, everybody likes. They're all gone now. And then what, where are you going to go? Yeah. You can go anywhere. It's a big universe. Yeah. But

yeah. Yeah. I don't know that there's anything in the works for continuing.

The Rey, Poe, Finn story.

Yeah. And you said, but do you, yourself said you wanted to see new stuff and these are the characters we have. This is what they gave us. They replaced our characters with these characters and they said, this is star Wars. And it's like the Ray toys aren't selling, man. It's just a fact,

man.

No, it's a galaxy of people they've told this story. They don't have to tell any more of that if they don't want to. They there's all kinds of possibilities. They could jump, 10 years into the future to broom and do something, post, or they might just let that live for a little while, and then, revisit.

I'm just saying I'm not saying like from a timeline standpoint of having to go forward from the end of the last Jedi, I'm just saying there's infinite possibilities of stories that they can tell. Within the world as evidenced by the fact that like all of this new content that we're going to be getting through Disney plus, it is all over the place.

You got stuff that's happening in between the prequels and the original trilogy. You've got stuff that's happening after the original trilogy, you've got stuff that's happening. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you've got some panic during the clone Wars. It's just all over the place. There's a long established timeline now and Oh.

And even going back as far as the high Republic, with with the Leslie Headland show there's all of these different stories that can be told in this, in, in this universe that's been created and constantly tying it back to Luke seems small.

Okay. Yeah, but when

you give them a wrong out look, we all love Luke

Skywalker.

Not that it's not that, when I say tying it back to Luke, though, we're tying it back to Anakin, which was like all this prophecy stuff, all that kind of thing. So it is a major thing. It's not like it's supposed to be the biggest event or biggest, thing in the galaxy. There's this prophecy of this brings balance to the force.

So like, where is that? You know what I mean?



That's all I'm saying don't we want to see like the, a little more of that story continued.

It's, is it, and Anaconda threw the emperor down the trash shoot. So, is that the act of balancing the force or is it Luke balancing the force by choosing to throw down his weapon?

I don't know.

It felt like a pretty important moment we needed that,

but yeah, either way like that being the prophecy, like we never seem to learn that. So learn the long,

there's not much balance going on.

Yeah. I like that. And that balance held for 16 years.

Not even, I think it went

by right.

And that M ndalorian is five years out. So it's like the balance hasn't even held that long. Like it's already disrupted In Mandalorian.

I dunno. I feel like the empire is still in shambles. They haven't reformed into the thing,

but it's still like to say it's balanced. It doesn't feel right.

Yeah, 📍 📍 maybe it's the loss of the emperor has made it balanced, like from a force standpoint, not from a who's in charge of it

from a force standpoint, we find out that we never really lost the emperor. So

what?

True.

Where's this balance that was supposed to

happen?

Who made this prophecy how 'bout that?

And how did Maul know all about it? Cause at the end of clone Wars, he was like, "I see it all happening."

That's a great Maul impression. Yeah.

"The apprentice is becoming the master." whatever he says



He was wise.

Yeah. And Wiley. Oh my goodness. Yeah.

I really wish he was still around.

Yeah. Come on Solo part 2.

Yeah. Solo part two?

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So that one's going to

start, like you said, star Wars is going. A million different ways, but yeah, it is going forward from this point in the Mandalorian story is going forward and they are producing three shows on this same timeline.

So three out of the, whatever nine or 10 shows are following the same timeline. So to me, that is the relevant star Wars. To me, that's the most important star Wars because they're going from what we know. To possibly someplace new. If it's just going to go to episode seven, then why are we watching it?

You know what I mean? If we know what's going to

happen, but there's, I feel like there's so much as evidenced by like the clone Wars. We know how the clone Wars is going to end. Yeah, it's going to end with revenge of the Sith, but what what are the other stories inside of that we can tell and turns out putting Ahsoka versus Maul, on Mandalore is a pretty rad story that I think you and I both enjoyed.

Yeah. So I think there's ways that they can live within it without having to blow it all up.

I'm just, I'm all for blowing it up. I don't

know. I don't know

Let's just say they explore Luke and they explore him. Like I know. I don't know.

Maybe you just don't want to see Luke or it's just because the effects are not up to snuff, but

I just think it's such a tall task. It's going to be tough. Yeah, you can show him for a couple of minutes here and there and tease him out and get that goodness ostalgie but like formulating an entire story around him just sounds like that's going to be

him creating the

center.

Pull off.

That is the story that is repeated over and over. Is him creating a new Jedi order? And sometimes he fails at any pails at it, I think. In several novels and several in the old stuff, the older, what do they call it?

The, Oh yeah, the old ex extended universe. Yeah, whatever it is, the good stuff.

The old stuff. The old novels. Yeah. Disney selloff

novels. It was always that story, like even different versions of it. Even the story we got in episode eight is like a continuation of that. But it's a story that like, is begged to be told because it's been repeated a lot.

Like it's in the collective consciousness of star Wars fans and they want to see it,

Yeah, no. Look if men learning season three has, the empire strikes back kind of vibe of Luke and baby Yoda over here doing training stuff and then Mandalorian going through, I dunno, probably some stuff with

bounty hunting.

Bounty hunting Mandalore proper

taking Mandalore back. Yeah.

Yep. And probably some off giddy and stuff too. So he didn't die. He's still he's still out there. If they have that going on, while at the same time you get a lot of shots of grow GU training and the back of Luke's head and occasional Mark Hamill voice being like, try it this way.

Then I'm completely game for that. I'm completely game for that. But I'm saying is you're doing like a Luke show or a feature length movie. Just seems and maybe that's not what you're asking for. And maybe I'm just like projecting that to you.

I would love to see would to see it.

I've always wanted to see the Luke centric. What happens after he gets all his power show,

whether it's a

show or a movie. And if I think they should test out casting somebody else. If it's Sebastian, Stan, or somebody else that looks like him. I think they should test it out and see if we accept it.

You know what I mean? If it works, even if it works, why can't they tell the story?

Yeah. And it would probably help to have, the same director for the whole project because solo didn't have that. So there's, there's some issues there.

Yeah. Keep your director or show runner writer,

Right. I think, what's interesting is did, did it take that experience for them to accept, take away TT, But, or was he willing to play more by the rules? Cause what they didn't have then was the opportunity for one of these, for Lord and Miller to direct an episode of a preexisting show to make sure that they can do it.

Yeah. Yeah. And if

you have that, nobody likes then it's no big deal, but if you have an entire movie, that's a little,

right. Yeah. So I watched the Mandalorian. Gallery behind the scenes deal with the directors. Any one of those people I'd feel good about handing them a feature length movie?

Yeah. Carl weathers. Why not? Oh my God. Carl weathers. Absolutely. Deborah chow. Great.

Speaking of which

Bryce, Dallas give her, give her something to do.

She's not busy. My whole thing was the reason I was so excited about Ahsoka is because we're going to see world between worlds.

We know we're going to see it, so we know they're going to, we know they're going to fits with the time someone.

Yeah. Yeah. They could

It's going to happen. It has to. So are you going to be okay? Are you going to be okay with that?

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. If anything if my thoughts on all of the star Wars movies and my love for the prequels, the fact that I think the last Jedi is the best of the non original trilogy.

If there's a thesis to my fandom, it's that whatever they end up doing, probably gonna like it.

Yeah. You're not like hyper-critical.

Exactly. Exactly. What are they going to tell a good story? Tell a good story. Show me some light sabers I'm in.

Yeah. Have some good music.

Yeah. Have some good music.

Tell a coherent story or you know what? Maybe even don't. If George Lucas taught us anything is or taught me anything. It's that like, all right. Even if the the dialogue is crap, I'll still dig it. But I'll understand it for what it's worth.

I wouldn't hold up a tackle the clones versus the godfather. Or even something like that's, Zandra based, I wouldn't put it up against the matrix or

why is it that we have eight episodes talking about star Wars? You know what I mean? If it's not the greatest in filmmaking, like you said, like why does it stick with us so much?

And will it will future generations? It doesn't seem like they're catching the bug. Like we did.

I think there's also a family aspect to it. I think like my brother's kids enjoy star Wars, they all dressed up for Halloween is, Kylo Ren or Darth Vader or whatever, they've done that bit.

They enjoy the movies, they watch them together when they come out. I think for the people that it matters to Then those kids will enjoy it, but at the same time, there's so much more content just in the world that they're going to feel the same way that we feel as the Marvel cinematic universe or.

The last Airbender cartoon, or just, there's just so much more stuff. Now.

Speaking of content,

people to latch

The newest generation of people, watches most of the content on mobile devices and like YouTube and Facebook and like stuff that we don't spend. I don't spend that much time watching videos on Facebook.

You know what I mean? Oh, no, not at all. Like

I do a lot at YouTube. I do a lot of YouTube, but I'm,

I don't know. I'm still paying for cable, so there's that that's where I'm at in the spectrum. I still turn on the TV and put it on TBS and see what's on. And half the time it's a movie that I own on DVD, but then I'm like let me just watch, 20 minutes.

And then all of a sudden it's the end. And I'm like, I could have watched this without commercials and gained 20 minutes of my life. Yep. But cut the cord. You yeah. Enough real. Oh gosh. The

problem is

it's the sports stuff, like sports watching the U of L game, the U of L basketball game was on.

Fox sports South yesterday. And it's a giant pain in the ass to get that. If you don't have a cable subscription. I see. Okay. And that's a game that I want to watch.

Then it makes sense. Yeah.

So I'm going to pay outrageous cable money to be able to watch the sports things that I like. Once they get that cleaned up.

I'll think about it pretty seriously.

Yeah. Yeah, it's coming.

There's just so many like licensing agreements, it's right. Yeah.

I don't know how it works. I'm not sports. What?

It's similar to a TV show being on Netflix and then January one, it being on HBO, max.

Just one licensing agreement ends, and another one begins

There are rumors about this, like Kathleen Kennedy and John Favreau, like butting heads, like it's like actual rumors and not just speculation

but if these things are true, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

If Kathleen Kennedy gets fired and the next. Six months or whatever. Are you going to be surprised? If she steps down,

Her contract is up in 2021. So there is that. Okay. And I dunno, I just, if

it could have been handled better, right? Or is it just because K Fisher died? Are we just blaming?

I think that w I think that's a huge, that's a huge wrench in the wheel. Yeah. I'm sure that there is a community of people out there who.

Are looking for a scapegoat for the new trilogy not being to their liking and a prominent female.

Why do you keep putting this prominent female? Like it would, do you really think it matters that she's a female? Do you really think there's people out there? There are people out there that think star Wars trilogy went downhill because it's a prominent female.

Not because it just went downhill.

No. I think that there are people who are willing to blame the downfall of, or the grand success of the trilogy.

If the trilogy was amazing. She, I think people would be praising her,

Oh. But. But I think there's

within the fandom. There has been a divide there. Was that a divide? No, there's been backlash for

For Rey's character a black man holding a lightsaber

backlash.

Oh, that happened early on. They were like, Oh, is this black guy going to be the main character? I was like,

what's wrong with

it? It was some, there was some racism out there on the internet toward Finn.

I was really hoping that he would have been the main character of the story. I was really hoping they would explore it like that question Mark, but the guy waking up from his slumber and deciding to be the hero of that story. My God, that could have been amazing,

Definitely that happening in the first movie.

And then in the second movie, The only exploration of any other sort of awakening being the kid with the broom and then the third movie, having this other group of people that that also woke up. And that being the extent, the whole extent of that I guess other than res awakening, right?

Like

instantaneous. Virtually. I know you say there's a little bit of growth, but , She was overpowered from the get

for sure. Yeah. We also don't see we see a training montage from Luke empire and

That's it. Yeah,

that's really about it.

And then he's able to not instantly get murdered by Darth Vader.

Vader was toying with them, obviously going back and watching that,

right? Yeah. He was trying to get him into the thing.

Yeah. He's not trying to kill him. He's just, yeah. Whatever. He was only using one hand with the lightsaber for a minute.

Like he wasn't trying to kill him. He knew who he was. Yeah. He's trying to change him,

right? Yeah. He's trying to turn him I don't know, there was the whole like Rose Tico mess after the last Jedi where people were mad about that. There's just a lot of examples of like racism and sexism before people come in on Twitter.

But here's the problem it's assigned as racism or sexism, but the actual complaint from what I've seen is that it's just Rose Tico. Wasn't that great of a character. Like she wasn't. That great of a character. Why can't I say that, but not be racist or sexist,

they're saying like, yeah, she wasn't that great of a character, but then there's people like full blown attacking her on social media to the point where she has to deactivate her Twitter, Instagram, and all that stuff.



That's not appropriate obviously,

but that's yeah. So I'm not saying you specifically.

No, but I feel

and you can have qualms with that stuff, but like obviously some people are taking it way too far and yeah. And

taking it too far because that's the internet. And that's the comment section.

Of course people were taking it too far, but to necessarily blame it on some to just assign, Oh, that's racism then, because somebody doesn't like something like, I see a lot of that. I see a lot, like there's even articles been written like, Oh, if you didn't like Rey, then you're a sexist. It's no, Like bags, just didn't think she like her character developed,

I do think it is. It is within a lot of people to at least examine the idea of, do I have any internalized stuff that I need to deal with?

Sure. But it is entirely possible. To not...

it's entirely possible. It's not like a character or to not like a story it's entirely possible. Absolutely implausible. But yeah, but if it's the it's like the

If Ray's story, just if you just couldn't, if she couldn't, I can control a dude at the beginning of the movie, I would have been way more okay. With Rey characters are like, wait until you get a little training in or show me how you got that power or even idea to do that before. You know what I mean?

It's give me some development, like a little teeny bit of story, that's all I'm saying yeah. I would've, I would have loved the Ray character that showed how she got that idea to do that.

You know what I mean? Like it would've

been Oh, okay. See, at least saw somebody or heard about somebody doing this.

You know what I mean? Not just WTF,

no, you like that? That's that is a legitimate qualm. That's a legitimate quality. But what I'm saying is not everybody has legitimate qualms,

but if I post a legitimate qualm, it can it, some of these legitimate qualms are getting dismissed as racism or sexism.

Oh, you just, you're just sexist. Do you know what I mean? Or, Oh, you're just a whatever just or any ist.

I think there's a great deal of people. Especially straight white men who aren't willing to examine any internalized bias that they might have. And that leads to a certain defensiveness that

you're like, but it's I've seen straight white, I've seen straight white female leads and movies that are amazing. Let's just give out here the chess movie

Oh Queens gambit.

You know what I mean? I feel like you're like subtly attacking me a little bit.

No, not at all. None at all. No, I think what I'm trying to say is I'm not trying, I'm not attacking you, because what I'm saying is If you have you have legitimate qualms. Okay. So I'm saying, but I'm saying there, there is a swath of other people who get so dismissive of the idea that maybe they have some sort of like internalized thing going on that they're not even willing to examine the idea of are my columns legitimate.

You really think there are that many people that are just so messed up inside that they're accidentally sexist and accidentally racist and can't admit it

to themselves. Oh, a hundred percent. There's just a ton of it Yeah

because like to me, racism and sexism is a learned behavior. You don't come out of the womb. Racist or sexist . You wave, you play you, you wouldn't know any difference unless someone said, Hey, that person's different than you because blah, blah, blah or or get some programming in school.

Let's just go here and there's a good chance. I'll cut this out. But to me, the fundamental reason that so many people are racist is because of. We don't realize this has been programmed into our brains, but when they show pictures of evolution and they show the monkey and the into man, and they say, the first man was black, what they're implying is...

And I know that's not

true.

I know that.

Oh yeah. I know



That's.

Yeah. That's bullshit.

Yeah, but that is. A product of our education system is what's happening. And and maybe there are people that like, maybe you're right. Maybe that gets ingrained in people and then they're racist from then on out.

You

know what I mean? Yeah. What I'm saying, so if you, so then you go back to alright, who wrote that book? Who was in charge of creating the curriculum, who's in charge of

you won't, we won't like the answer.

But, so what I'm saying is that's the whole idea of institutionalized racism is that it's so ingrained, subconsciously in the way we teach people things in the way that society behaves, that you can't just, you can't just say I'm not a racist, so it's gotta be getting better.

That's one less racist person, but. If there are systemic issues that keep one group separated and downtrodden and

but th the two things are not the same just because people are programmed to be racist does not necessarily mean that they don't have the same opportunities.

Yeah, but there's internalized stuff that

I know it's hard for us to have this conversation cause we're two white guys, right? That's, what's happening. That's what's happening in our brains right now. We're afraid to say anything because we're two white guys. So let's just put that aside for now and just say what you're thinking. And then if it gets weird, I'll cut it out.

On the surface there is, yeah do you know everyone who grows up in America has generally the same opportunity. But I think there are more landmines to not even accidentally inadvertently walk into as a minority in this country that you and I haven't had to deal with. If you and I got busted for weed when we were 16.

Even though when we were 16, I know you and I were not smoking weed, but we weren't that cool. If we got busted for smoking weed at 16, we wouldn't have been treated the same way by the system as a person of color getting busted for weed at the same time.

Okay.

I don't know that. I don't know that.

Isn't true.

Okay. As far as committing a crime and then the punishment not being equal, that might be true.



The police were originally created to roundup black people. Yeah. So there's that.

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Like institutional racism, like it's built into the system itself.

So you could have not racist cops, but due to the function of what the foundation of that house was built on. There could be little. Little racist things, little things that maybe just aren't so much fair to everybody.

We're looking at the going downhill. Like it will be easier for a black person to make a mistake and get stuck faster, but let's talk about the opposite.

I think the opposite is where.

Man. I hate to even say this, but there are some instances where they have advantages, right? So there's the school where they call it the no. The the not equal opportunity. The, what is the thing?

Affirmative action.

Affirmative action. So there's An unequal, affirmative action.

Whereas they have advantages if they want to pursue a certain path to a small degree, to a small degree. So I'm just saying like that is a sort of a balance to the negative

it is a way to course correct without addressing major problems.

Okay.

Instead of addressing like red lining and housing in poor communities and what red

lining is.

Okay. So it's it's basically People of minorities couldn't get loans for houses that weren't in certain districts. That's like the.

But is that really true? Is that still true?

Yeah.

Oh is it still true? No, not so much, but if we go back to

it was like a transitional period, right? There's like a transitional period where we're getting out of all of this.

But if systems are being created to where,

if this is, these are being created to improve this process, I think that's good.

All right. So let's just go, let me finish up. Let me tie a bow on this. Housing versus affirmative action. I do have a point, I promise. Okay. So if if at a governmental level.

Or even, not even from a government level, from like a from a, the banks level, it's established that in the fifties that people of color minorities in general aren't allowed or are discouraged from purchasing property. Outside of the West end of Louisville or the Southwest end of Louisville.

So if it's just fundamentally harder for them to get housing on the East end of Louisville or in the Highlands or wherever else. So if that is a thing

was a thing

So if that was a thing in the fifties, right? Yeah. So then if. So then the schools in those areas, funding is paid by the taxes in those areas.

So the East end people who are making crazy money, get all of like their schools have all the shiny new objects, all the fancy stuff, because there's more tax money going into it. And then the West end can barely buy books. Because there's more poverty and less money going in.

Which was also corrected by busing, right?

So that's what I'm saying. So busing, an affirmative action is course-correcting on that without addressing the central issue of people not being able to purchase houses outside of these preordained

area. Now they can.

Right now they can, but we have years and years worth of four generations worth of ingrained poverty because people in 1965, weren't able to get a quality education or quality opportunities.

And then it just fed. A system it's tough to get out of poverty without.

Yeah. And that goes regardless of your race.

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. There's plenty of poor white people, you know who that's what I'm saying. But I do think it is. Like you and I, our electric bill was never put into our names as a child because our credit scores or because we could have credit scores in the way that minority families will sometimes have to put LG and E on a child's social security number because that child doesn't have bad credit already.

And that's like the kind of stuff.

Yeah. You say that, but I remember I couldn't get electricity you, when I was in another state because my credit was bad. I had to pay a deposit, in order to get electricity. There's ways like it's not this or that, or. Whatever, there are ways to do it.

It's not right, but that was electricity.

But this is if you're a, if you're a five-year-old and that decision just gets made for you, you could chalk that up to shitty parenting. Yeah.

I guess technically they can mess up your credit.

Yeah. Yeah. And that's shitty parenting, but do you know what I'm saying?

But I guess it, it opens the idea of bringing that up is to, just to give an idea of some of the just

the decision survival.

Like you just have to make these survival-based decisions, which aren't in everybody's best interest,

but I'm just saying assigning that to a race is where I get upset because I've been on the completely broke, not having a place to go sleeping in my car situation before.

So like, where's my. Help, who's gonna, who I had to bail myself out. You know what I mean? Don't know. It's just, it's hard to even speak about this. You know what I mean? It's hard to even say this out loud. And then, it's Oh, you're what do people say?

Oh, you're a white guy. So that's why you were able to get a job or something like, like it's just no, I had to I had to hustle and move to another whole nother fucking city and like all kinds of crazy shit that, some people just aren't willing to do.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, no, look, every like I'm not diminishing your struggle at all, or anybody's struggle. I'm just saying that like systemically, there are some things that are a little bit more in our favor and it benefits us to at least examine why that is. And

we should always be aiming for the center of the target.

We should always try to be better than, it's all about bettering ourselves and then in turn bettering society. So

I'm just saying there are opportunity for people. There are opportunity for all people. I think there is now the most opportunity. The internet, like what we're doing now, like we're doing something like, we're not sitting on our ass, like just watching.

We are watching a lot of shows, but like we're not just sitting on our ass and getting fat. Like we're trying to do something like, maybe this won't make money, but at least we're doing something and we have the ability to look for other things. You can Google literally anything.

Like I. I, I saw somebody talking about how. I saw a video of a girl. She was like written like a whole notebook full of songs, but she hadn't recorded any I'm like, I'm just thinking we've got a computer and you've making this video. And like, why didn't you ever, like, why didn't you just Google, how to record a song?

You know what I mean?



What are you waiting for? What are we waiting? It's taken me a long time. I can't really talk because I've waited so long to start making stuff, the, all the information is there and all the opportunity is probably there.

If it feels like it's there.

Yeah. But I'm also saying there's the kids who don't have a computer, don't have internet. They have to go to the library.

Everybody has a phone. Everybody has a phone. Like even these kids that are like 12 years old, nine years old have phones, they have the internet, they have Google,

right?

It's crazy. It's nuts. If you're homeless today, it's man I can't say anything. Cause like I probably it could be, it's possible. Like I could be homeless tomorrow, but there are a lot of resources at our fingertips that we don't realize that are there, Just don't take that extra step to look and like you said, want to blame something or somebody or society or this and that, or these rules or the institution or the whatever, or the man or whatever it is.

And it's you could have just Googled something. You know what I mean?

We all have to, we all have to take responsibility for this is the system we live in and how are we still, how do we function within those systems? But then I think, we should always keep an eye toward how can we make these systems better?

Yeah. That's seems like a good button on that point.

It's a conversation worth having, no, I don't think.

Don't want to come across as the istaphobe. You know what I mean? So that's what I'm saying. Like I just have, cause I've seen, I've seen poverty from an American version of it I've seen in other countries and it's a lot different. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like our version of poverty is still.

We're still doing all right. You still got a roof over your head. You got a bathroom. I got air conditioning. There's other versions of that.

Although I do feel like the homeless population has skyrocketed lately. The last five years has not been great.

You see a lot in your end of town.

Yeah. Yeah, I think the soccer stadium had something to do with it. I think a lot of people were like squatting on that land in like tens and whatnot. So then when they cleared all of that, I think they just, everybody who was living in those areas, fanned out. And so now it's but I feel like it's a law, the intersections every major intersection.

Downtown Highlands I've even seen out in like the South end off of like at the spot, if you're coming off the Fern Valley road, exit on 65, like heading toward ups,

like the same time. I said all of these things, like we have all these opportunities at the exact same time. There are systematic things that are against every single one of us.

Equally



Oh yeah, we have to pay rent. Like that shit is not getting cheaper. It's getting more and more expensive insurance or this or that. It's getting more and more expensive. So the cost of just surviving is going up.

The cost of surviving is going up and the cost of just being poor is untenable.

Like late fees and stuff like that, like really?

Oh yeah. Oh my, my APR and my credit cards is like 29.

Yeah. It's like ungodly. It's just, it shouldn't be that high. There were times when it was illegal to have APRs that high? Huh? Yeah, that's gross. Yeah. So those things in place to keep us where we are and to not get ahead. So like those types of things, like I'm more interested in like, how can we fix those things?

Not how can we if we overall fix that would be a major step, I think, for everyone

am I wrong here? No. No, absolutely. No it's a it almost feels the difference between like local government and federal government, like you're talking a more like global overarching thing, corporations probably have too much control over a lot, that kind of stuff. And I'm taking more like I dunno, just the pros and cons of busing or

the local police are like where people live in general, yeah.

How cities are designed.

Oh yeah, that is, yeah. That's a mind. Mind. Fuck. Yeah, like every city is the same, right?

It's depressing and you're right. You're right. It is designed from the get to keep people down like the working class and certain people of certain colors, from the get. But then again, we're definitely seeing a change. We're definitely seeing. Some progress and I certainly hope so.

I don't think people just don't recognize the progress as much.

Oh yeah. Look, yeah, things are progressing.

I'm trying to think of the right metaphor of unraveling a sweater doesn't make sense. It makes sense. Yeah. It's just, there's a, it's as you take care of more stuff, you realize, Oh, maybe, maybe this was a little jacked up too. So we got to dive into that,

it doesn't help that we're constantly.

It's you fix the things as you go and as you grow and as you get older and things start to get fixed, but there are more institutionalized problems. Like you said...

easy to, it's easy to ride with the status quo. It's just easy to it's. It's easier to just go. Okay. We got a lot of crime.

We need more cops, as opposed to examining, okay, what are the exact reasons that we have more crime and would additional funding to different things other than police work just as well?

Like having a good family unit, a strong family unit. Oh, it's so important.

Oh yeah. But that is a, that's like a long term solution.

You know what I mean? That's like a fundamental,

that is the solution.

But , you can't snap your fingers and have that happen tomorrow. You know what I mean?

If in film and television and movies and music, . The message is the independent person can do it. The, the, that it's okay to leave your woman and sleep around with another girl, or if it's okay to , not even try, the not trying to keep your family together. If that's the message we're telling our kids, then we're fucked for a long time.

Yeah. Yeah, I agree. It's not a great not a great story to tell, the question, is how much of your entertainment do you want to be telling.

Telling the narrative that you want, like an aspirational narrative and how much, or how much is how much of it should be a mirror of what we see in the world.

They call it television programming for a reason.

What we see, what we hear influences our thoughts. It influences the way that we see the world. And that's why, like, when I talk about lyrics, like that's why they're so important to me because it influences the minds of people, and to have just an outpouring of lyrical garbage, like just, it hurts a little bit to know like that's on purpose, man.

Yeah, I think there's a certain amount of there's going to be art that, that tells the story of what's happening right now. And then there's going to be art that tells a more aspirational story, I think. And

yeah. And the great thing now is that we do get to pick The more aspirational stuff, we have the option to pick it, which is great.

Speaking of aspirational, have you seen soul.

Yes. Yes. I was going to bring that up too. One soul is so

good. Everyone watch it. That's the,

please watch it. It's so good.

That's it? We're just gonna leave on the soul bit. Everybody watched soul again, watch it. Yeah.

Also speaking of family, And the family unit have you seen I've I'm super late to the game on this.

And it just happened this way cause I've been wanting to see it since it came out. But I finally watched a quiet place.

I haven't seen that.

Oh buddy. Oh, man. That is a movie about family. That is a movie about the film. Okay. Family. Yes. Yes, it

is. It's a horror film. Oh, okay. What platform or film

with some aliens worth your time.

What platform is that? It's not streaming for free anywhere.

Okay. Yeah. But all right. Movies, films to check out a quiet place and soul.



Yeah, there was a,

Like D like as far as art, should

art have a purpose? Was helping a friend with her. She was doing a project. She was getting her masters in visual arts. And she had this project that was basically like an, like a big installation piece. It was one of those, like you walk in and you got stuff to do.

It's not just, you just walk in and look at the art. So at one point I asked, I was like, so what kind of like emotion are you trying to evoke out of this? She was like not, and I was like, that's weird. And then she explained it to me of This just exists now. And. Whatever people do with it, or whatever happens to it, is whatever.

And she didn't, she was like, I'm not trying to like, evoke anything out of anybody or lead them in a direction, or even if there's nothing. And I was like, I was she explained it to me and it seems like something that they had talked a lot about. Yeah. Like a professor in their program, but I still wasn't on board with.

No I, I don't get it. If art is a weapon used against us on a regular basis, based on the programming that we're receiving, isn't it our duty to make art that has a purpose and a message that can maybe help some people. That's how I feel about it. To just be like, ah, it's just a blob of whatever is you're doing yourself and people a disservice.

Even if they, even if you have a purpose and maybe they don't interpret it that way, at least you tried, like it's okay to interpret it differently. I everybody's gonna interpret.

Yeah. Everybody has a diff not every there's really only two ways it could go, but the end of inception is left open-ended for people to make their own decision about whether or not the the top.

Falls down or it keeps spinning. Yeah. Like you can purposefully leave stuff up for interpretation, but at least be something there, some sort of backbone there.

But this is all new to me too. A little bit. When I wrote songs for born yesterday, I would have a vague idea and then create the song.

And now when I write it is very

like very specific ideas, it's

very, for a purpose.

Gotcha.

Yeah. And yeah. Yeah. That's all, that's like sometimes my idea is for born yesterday, songs would be like, Oh something about an ex a breakup or whatever, or,

just based like really level one ideas, what happened when somebody got kicked out of their house or, some, just a basic.

And now it's okay, how can I take what I know now about humanity? And then like where I want humidity to go and then what can I put in there? So it's like

way

higher level, but then how can I also relate to those base levels? So it's I'm trying to put all those layers in there. When I write a song, no, if that makes any sense.

No, that makes a lot of sense.

Yeah. And which is why this is why I think star Wars sticks with us is because they put those bigger aspects of reality in there, the spirituality of the force and destiny, those types of questions at the hero's journey. So to speak in the story from the get. And I think that's why it sticks with us so much, even though the actual quality of the production or the writing is not necessarily.

Nine out of 10,

it's those

deeper meanings of things that people resonate with.

That's all I got.

No, that's beautiful. Light. Yeah. No, you're not wrong at all. There's there's so much about star Wars that That people latch onto, some of it is, yeah. Some of it's laser swords, some of it's the, like Western aspect of it with the blasters.

And some of it is the top gun aspect of, dog fights in the air. And and then there's the spirituality of it and the mysticism of it and the mythology of it. And Yeah. And there's a lot of, there's a lot of points of entry and then there's a lot of universality to it that a lot of people can latch onto, they have the thing that brings them in at first, but then, the whole thing that kind of carries them through.

Speaking of making things and making art our song will be out January 16th.

January 16th.

I think I mentioned this, but yeah, just, Mark your calendar and then we're working on some new stuff, which is yeah. We're working on it.

Yeah.

Yeah. Getting a little heavier with this next song. It's going to be a little more little darker. I think it'll

rock. Yeah. Yup. Yeah. Yeah. A little bit more sump to it.

A little thump. What else? Oh, we should talk about the drama if you stayed to the end to hear us talk about the drama then this is it.

So we got Pablo who a dog had to her

adult

Pablo look, doggo who's the head of the Lucasfilm story group. Yep. Not a low position over there at the Lucas film. Correct. Poking fun at the largest star Wars YouTuber who has more subscribers than the official star Wars channel itself for crying when Luke showed up.

Yeah. Pulled up his actual, like his actual comment and it was what he posted on Twitter was emotions are not for sharing. That's what he wrote.

That is exactly what he wrote in a private, like semi-private conversation. I believe it was like his Twitter is private or something. So like only certain people can see it.

So there was like a thread and somebody before him had already bashed him and

then

emotions are not for sharing.

Got it.

So he is just. Doubling down on top of the beating somebody else while they're already down.

I gotcha.

Like it could have been open to interpretation except for the fact that it doesn't seem like it to me.

And maybe you can take the other side on this, but to me it seems like he's obviously a coconut. Okay. Adam, a little bit here.

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know I don't know much about this situation. Don't didn't know who Pablo Hidalgo was until, last week. And and I don't know who the YouTuber is, who who was emotional

star Wars.

I just know that the reaction that I saw from people that I know who are. Yeah. Star Wars fans was all very similar. Like really hit a lot of people in the f. Yeah. Seeing this beloved character come back and come back in, in all of his glory. Yeah, anybody like shitting on people having an emotional reaction to something

which was obviously the.

The reason for doing it, it seems

are, Oh yeah. Yeah. The whole idea is, yeah, like you don't bring Luke Skywalker back to night. Try to evoke some sort of emotion out of people. So yeah now what I find interesting about that comment and, this is me taking it completely out of context.

Cause I don't know what the thread is. I just literally Wikipedia Pablo Hidalgo to be able to have some sort of entry point into this conversation . So the line emotions are not for sharing. It just made me think, if you're somebody whose whole job is to categorize, is to own the card catalog of Star Wars.

Emotions are not for sharing. So five words, it feels a little like Jedi E you know what I mean?

Like it,

yeah. Like he's trying to say be more of a Jedi don't



Don't let your emotions take over

like that. Exactly. Just in reading that and having

that's your interpretation,

3% context of what it was of what was going on. Obviously like giving the guy that any sort of benefit of the doubt.

I can see a world where that like his, either his direct intention is to relate it to some sort of like Jedi thing or an indirect. Trying to be funny. Lot of people get burned on the internet, trying to be funny. People get burned in life, trying to be funny. Yeah. Being funny as hard, I've tried to make a career out of it and failed.

So I can say a lot of people get in trouble. Myself included. I've tried to be funny and it's gotten me in trouble at work and various other places. It could be trying to be funny and whatever, or it could be him being like, there could also be like some subtexts that we don't know about, have you seen mythic quest? No. Nope. Okay. It could be a situation where there's some backstory between the Star Wars theory person and the Lucasfilm. I don't know if they have any sort of like interaction or whatever, but if there's beef there, if there's underlying beef, maybe there's something.

Yeah.

Here's what we know. We know Pablo Hidalgo has antagonized Star Wars fans for a long time. There are tweets of his that are condescending toward several. Like smaller star Wars, influencers, YouTubers.

Okay.

So what's happened here is he did it to somebody that's too big.

Okay.

So everybody finds out about it now.

And that's the problem. So this is Pablo Hidalgo, his character. He's just doing the same thing that he's been doing. Okay. Just being. Man to like, he was very vocal about people that didn't like the last jet, I, and like basically calling them out and being stupid because you didn't like it.

You know what I mean? Like

Right

that kind of thing. And so to do this to theory is like a WTF moment and it's to, I imagine that Lucas film, it's a clusterfuck. I imagine they're all freaking out a bit because this does not make Star Wars look good.

No,

or

Lucasfilm. Yep.

So I, I don't know what, I don't know if they're supposed to, are they supposed to fire the guy?

I don't know, but if I had a guy like that in my company that was antagonizing my customers, I would be a little upset. Like we got nine subscribers and if I went to the nine subscribers channels and said, you're stupid for liking my channel. That would be the dumbest thing I could possibly do



Absolutely.

You know what I'm saying? So I, what kind of employee is this guy?

What's interesting in reading about what his role is. And again, this is all Wikipedia, right? It sounds like he's shoved away in a corner with two other people. And their job is just to it's just to be the encyclopedia knowledge and then help with help put together like the art books and make sure to fact check everything.

It's almost like they're. Not replacing George Lucas, in the way that they, that I'm sure people could have been like, Hey George, what's the Wookie language, now it's well, George doesn't work here anymore. You got a text, one of these other people, what planet

is like this, or, whatever.

And it located compared to that. Yeah. He's like an archive of star Wars knowledge, and I'm sure Disney is asking themselves right now if they have another person that



As

well, there's two other people on the team. The story

group. Yeah.

According to Wikipedia. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah there, there might only be two on the team next week,

right?

Yeah. Don't shit on your fan base even. Yeah. Even if they're wrong,

even right. Fucking wrong,

Yeah. Or make a burner account. Yeah. Come on man. Oh Steve Smithens says. Emotions. Aren't a big deal, whatever yeah. Nobody cares about Steve's opinion or Steve doesn't work at loose Lucasfilm.

So nothing to do there,

being a half comedy podcast, I was wondering where we were going to get to the comedy.

. Let's let's examine more institutionalized racism.

I'm hoping that having conversations about institutionalized racism. Helps to get people to care

might as well. ?

So if Hidalgo is just saying.

Be more like a Jedi you're trying to evoke an emotion. Bringing Luke back. Why would you say that then?

Yeah.

And sure. Having that be your thumbnail is a picture of you crying. Yeah. That can be click baity, but if that's what actually fucking happened.

Mmm

nobody's arguing with that.

Everybody that watches that video sees him really cry, like he's really reacting to it. I know there are some people that can fake that, but I don't feel like this guy is doing that there. There's a reason. This guy has a number one Star Wars utuber and it's because he loves star Wars and he makes up his own star Wars stories.

And he goes into every aspect of star Wars that you and I can't even think about like that. That's the reason that he's that.

Yeah.

Yeah. And so for him to see Luke Skywalker and cry, that makes total sense.

Yeah, absolutely. He's obviously devoted a large percentage of his life to this story and these characters and this universe.



He also made the fan film Vader. Did you see that?

No, I didn't bro. Yeah.

It's

insane. The YouTube? Yeah. Cool. How long has it?

It's maybe 15 minutes.

Oh, okay, great.

Oh man. You'll freak out, bro. It's insane. It's insane. He spent hundreds of thousands of dollars creating this

thing.

Yeah, it's it's full on

If this guy is in fact the locked away in a cave, Keeping up the scrolls of encyclopedic, knowledge of Star Wars,

not the funnest job.

Not

the funnest job and doesn't lend itself to the most tactful type of person. You know what I mean?

It's more,

I don't know, like

it's not being a people person, you're being a essentially a file clerk.

So yeah, maybe yeah, maybe there's some social skills there that that he hasn't quite picked up on because yeah, not at the time of the place, bro.

Yeah.. What do we do with this guy? Yeah, he doesn't know how

to work. If there is a if there's already a group of people shitting on people or shitting on this guy, then maybe it's a, I want to be one of the cool kids scenario.

Or

If there's, if, because if that comment was in like a thread of comments of all people, like giving Star Wars theory dude a hard time, maybe it's I want to be a, I want to be one of the cool kids.

Why do you not have a burner account is beyond me.

Why do you take the comment and then post it as your Twitter profile picture?

Oh, yeah.

Took it. It put posted as his header.

. Yeah. Come on. Header picture. Can't be doing that. That's me.

Yeah. That's just outright mean is what it is. Yeah.

Don't be mean,

don't be mean.



I mean. It's not what we're here to do.

What's been fun, Ben. Thank you.

Thank you, man. This has been I thought today was going to be a short one. I was like, we're not going to have that much to talk about. This is gonna, and then here we are

two hours later,

two hours later,

this is probably the longest episode we ever had.

Yup. We'll see. There's plenty to cut out.

Okay, so thank you for watching the podcast. What I want to say to people.

Oh do us a favor and hit us with that and subscribe and throw in a comment. If you got some thoughts on what we were talking about, let us know.

Yeah. Let us know if we went too far off the rails and we'll catch you on the next one.

Yeah. Appreciate you.

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