We welcome Moxie LaBouche, creator of the Your Brain on Facts podcast as well as the new book with the same name.
We talk about Priest with Paul Bettany, burlesque, audiobooks, voiceover, George RR Martin, and more!
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priest is a lot like life. There are some interesting moments, but then it's really boring in the middle.
And now it's time when we answer the question, is this entertainment with your host, Jacob and Ben.
Let's do this thing.
Yep. Welcome to the ITE podcast
with your welcome welcome.
I'm now Jacob, Aaron Miller. There's too many Jacob Millers. So it's official. I'm just going with it and change your Twitter. I D I. I was always that Jacob, Aaron, but now I am my name is Jacob, Aaron
going full government
name criminals come up too as well.
, that's fun. I was, couldn't get my apartment because my name was Jacob Miller. So that was, that
fun. That was a funny, yeah. Then I had to like, Oh wait,
you're the other Jacob Miller, excuse us. Excuse me. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
At any rate for the second time ever, we have a guest,
Who is a
I don't know how to say things. I don't know how to introduce her because she does so many different things. So many things, , but I think she's mostly known for her voice for her, for.
We're Southern over here for her voice. And , please welcome to the show. How do I say it? Moxie LA, how do I know as,
is that correct? You ever thought it just a little bit? It is love Boosh
Moxie is boost here she is. . There we go.
, the longer and messier, this gets my COVID coffee or the closer I get to just narrow.
Yeah. I've been a long time fan of that methodology. It's much easier to deal with.
I didn't do my I've been going for the, , the, grow it all out.
Just go in. That's what the husband's doing crazy
down. Yeah. Whatever you can do to make your life easier during these
crazy times. Absolutely. Like listening to lovely podcasts, is this entertainment and my show, your brain on facts also available as a book and soon to be audio
Basically, we're basically Justin, all of how amazing your voices.
I couldn't listen to you all day, all
day. And I guess I could dot com. You can order a custom VO work. I'll be happy to say whatever you want within reason. Yeah. For a reasonable fee,
as long as you're not Cina chronic too soon. Okay.
No, I can actually act Ooh. Throwing down the
. All right. So we're here to talk about priests, but before we talk about priests, I'm just a little bit curious about your voiceover career and like how long you've been. Excuse me, how long you've been doing it, just for our audience.
Just rhythm very
quick. Tell us a little about yourself.
If you want to. Do the 300,000 foot overview. I used to be a goat farmer and a burlesque dancer. I've stripped in front of George RR. Martin. I've been struck by lightning podcasting for three years, but I only got into professional VO about six months ago.
So in that respect still new, but as long as I have my Melissa Lewis NPR voice, I'll be okay.
Okay. I think you have to tell us about this George R Martin, or can you.
Yeah, he as creepy as it sounds. Everything I do is at least a little bit creepy or it wouldn't be on brand.
It was my distinct privilege to produce the only author approved game of Thrones burlesque show. And Mr. Martin not only gave it his blessing. He invited us out to his. Theater in Santa Fe, New Mexico. So we made a national tour of it and we're on the road for three weeks working our way from the East coast out to New Mexico, performing for him.
And , and then back again. So I did my routine as the mountain , because I am the smallest person on cast or I was five years ago. Wow, that is amazing. And it ended with, I had made a doll of Ober and Martell with a hollow head that I would put a raspberry donut in. Can I show him
that was one of those they're in the book. When reading the book, I was like, okay, this is pretty wild. And I had to like, go back and read again, just to , get a full sense of what exactly happened. But then man, the show re I was like, they're not going to go there. They're just, it'll be from far away.
Why would they pull that punch? When our MC ego Von hubris Cooper, a 30 year old man looks a lot like Maisie Williams when he shaves. So he did half the show is Ren half the show is Joffrey. He was, was reading the books when they first came out, got to the red wedding and opened his window and through his book outside in Maine, in the winter, and did not go look for it until the spring.
That is wonderful.
. Luckily I watched the first three seasons and then picked up the books
like devastating. I guess if you're just watching the show as then, if you were reading along and following,
it was still pretty
rough. Yeah, it was yeah. Watching cool.
Watching a girl get stabbed in the belly. That was. Oh gosh. And then
I think the big takeaway from that scene, I think is , I've , bad remembering actors names. Sometimes the actress who played Katlyn, stark that scream after they kill Rob, I think it's like special little, extra trophy for her.
Although she was, yeah, it was, is that the one that played dark Phoenix?
No Sophie Turner, not the daughter, the mother I'm worst with names,
. Excuse me
, so we're here to actually talk about priests. Before, before we do that though , if you're not listening to your brain on facts , you should definitely subscribe to our podcasts, your brain on facts.
And I'm curious how that came about.
My head has always been crammed, jammed full of bonus facts. And did you knows I'm actually is lots of those trivia. There are forums for them, which I never bothered to find. I just let them fall out of my face at will and customers I'm checking out at the grocery store.
Might not want to learn that , avocados have giant seeds because they were originally distributed by a prehistoric ground Slav. They just want me to ring up the damn avocado and let them leave. And the reason I have a Cahtos have giant pits, big seed. Okay. An avocado for starters is you with me so far, Jacob, are you following along?
I'm following. I'm trying my hardest. Okay. Okay. This is early. You know how an avocado has a giant pit? Yes. Sometimes super giant taking up the whole avocado and pissing you off. The reason it has such a large seed is it used to be in a mutually beneficial relationship. The trees, as as species with prehistoric ground sloths, who would eat the fruit and then poop the seeds out somewhere else.
But the ground sauce went away. But the trees didn't change probably because humans came along and were more than happy to continue planting avocado trees with the seeds, just the way they were. So there's not always a good time for one of these facts. I've. I have to rebuild poop my arguments and made myself the mutual enemy by thinking now would be a great time to educate people on the etymology of the phrase devil's advocate.
It's not, it never is. It never is. My husband got me listening to podcasts after much effort. Cause I had all of the preconceptions that people have, like, how do I find one? How do I find what I'm going to like? You know what, if it's boring, I thought you had to stop what you were doing and listen to one, which is of course not the case at all.
And then once I started listening to them, the first one being unorthodox, the universe is leading Jewish podcast. I recommend both Jew and Gentile. Check that out. And I started listening voraciously and , and I thought, you know what?
This could be the way I get this stuff out of my head safely. The trouble is I research and write a seven page script each week. And that just puts more stuff into my brain, which wouldn't be a problem. Except I got struck by lightning 11 years ago, and some of the files are four Oh four, like a person who can't tell jokes.
I'll get halfway through the fact and then be really unsure about where it goes after that. That's amazing.
I'm sorry. You got struck by lightning and that is unfortunate and , I'm
glad you're okay. It was a secondary strike. Yeah. Okay. Cause it hit my house first and lit it on fire and then it came from me.
Wow. Glad you're still here. We're glad you're still here. Oh my goodness.
Telling you the interesting parts.
, Y priest. Because I got a text from Jacob the other day that was, Hey, Moxie might want to come on our show and talk about the 2011 Paul Bettany movie priest. And I was immediately like one. Wow. Two of course, and three, wow. You know what, I'm going to move. I'm gonna move three up to number one.
Y so you guys are covering Wanda vision and he's on, and he's on one division.
And this ties in, , I'm not actually watching one division. I have no concern for the cinematic universes whatsoever. I haven't. Been interested in comic book movies for a long time. It just over done for me. Totally. yeah. You convinced him how can I tie this all tie us all together?
I'm like, Oh, priest, it's a pretty good movie. Normally when I can horn my way onto in a pop culture or a movie podcast, I make them talk about ravenous. If you haven't seen the Robert Carlisle movie. Robert Carlisle is a cannibal in the American frontier. It was marketed wrong. It was marketed like a comedy, but it is a horror comedy, but not really.
And it's a black comedy, but not really. And there are cannibals and David Arquettes in it for some reason,
our cannabis, the natives are the cannibals. Ethan natives.
I'm curious. Yes, no. , it, it ties into the myth of the Windigo and. Everybody should watch it. It, you got a bootleg it's hard to find, but the 1999 movie ravenous with Robert Carlisle and a guy Richie that's normally what I talk about when I go on a movie podcast, but this time changing it up a little bit, we're going to talk about priest, not another underrated underappreciated, badly marketed movie. I'll tell you that,
like this movie falls in the kind of underworld
kind of realm.
Maybe I'm just thinking along the lines of like color coordination.
Yeah. I guess the
yeah. The aesthetic is definitely similar and I'm sure they, that the customer base as it were, has a lot of overlap.
So , what's your jam about this movie other than Paul Bettany is, a glorious human being.
Yeah. He. Just 100% nails, his performance, everything about it is great.
The recently passed , Christopher Plummer also same, just like to the nines. I don't, I can't say I love everything about the movie. I have many notes. It started out so
intriguing. I was just blown away by this animation at the
beginning of it. Now I've got to interrupt
the opening animatic is incredible and teaches us about this world and this lore.
And it seems so deep and full of possibilities. And then as the movie went along, I was disappointed that they didn't go back and teach us a little bit more about what they were talking about. The
world-building is then in places. Yeah. But a bonus fact, the animated sequence , is given to us by.
Tied for first place in most famous guys named Getty, Tarkovsky of samurai Jack.
Samurai Jack , which I have not seen. Have you seen semi Jack? I have not. Okay. So tell us
about that cream, their jeans. I
assure you. They're probably screaming. Yeah. They're the one listener we have is probably Oh, I'm
I'm sure it's at least three by now.
We're good. Up to a good 30, I think pretty solid. Yeah. Yeah.
Getty. What a fun name that needs to come around. The only Getty I can think of is Getty once a
NABI. Nope , no. There's three. Ooh, who's this? Who's the
other one. Getty Lee.
Who's that? Now there are people screaming at them.
no. I've upset someone we're really
bad at this.
We said we connected some dots before we got on here. Ben. All right.
gosh. We do have a segment called two guys Googling.
All right. Jacob, what are we looking at here?
This is the, which one is this? That I'm going to have to ask him Oxy, because okay, like this movie , we can relate the leaders of the priesthood to Catholicism. I think fairly. Am I missing the boat here?
Same word. But , just to sum up the setting of the film, vampires are , an entirely separate type of creature that evolved being a parallel human beings.
They're not human looking at all. And the church declared that they were evil , specifically because they have no eyes. The eyes are the window to the soul and that's not in the Bible, but. That's the basis of the film. And so there's a great war between the humans and the vampires and these highly skilled fighters , or indoctrinated called priests.
They have a cross tattoo, which looks stupid except Paul Bettany absolutely rocks it. I
feel like everybody really pulls this off. Yeah,
So mankind defeats the vampires, but they've retreated into walled cities that are now under the complete control and protection of the church.
And so it's blade runner meets the crusades in there , the feel of it, but once the war was over, the priests were disbanded. And ostracized by society. And it's not like you can go and get a job with that giant cross forehead tattoo,
such a bad move. The whole first, third of the movie, I'm like , why would they cast these people out?
They are super skilled. You got to figure out a way to make, do it, enter these guys into the workforce. They have, . They can jump. Long distances they can, at a distance what's the deal here. Yeah. Like we can't put them on some special projects. Like maybe figuring out how to get the sun back into the city.
How do you even let that happen when your main antagonist,
is based on. I did look at , this part a Korean
comic book? Yes. Yes. So we are being liberal with the word based. Okay.
It? Doesn't hold it doesn't hold
very much more based on the idea than actually following the thing.
If you think , The preacher TV series was close enough to the book for you. You'll probably find this to be a very close parallel as well. Gotcha. Okay.
I couldn't get, like I enjoyed the first season. All right. And then , it just
kinda kept going downhill. I don't want to be, the book is better guy, but the book has got better.
The animation style at the beginning of priests. So does that vibe at all with the source material or is that style completely different from
the books? I didn't look at any interior pages I'll confess. I just was like, Oh, there's an image of the cover of the thing it's based on.
No, it doesn't look a Tarkovsky ask. I think that segment exists just for its own sake. And so
there was zero real tie in there were yeah. Gotcha.
Threads. Tenuous threads. Yeah.
Just, Hey, just be here now, buddy. Just be here with us
here with us.
Come on man. Briefly, but it was TAKE it in.
And I also do guided meditation.
Boring and breathing and feel your body relaxing. I have a brain of a cooped up squirrel, so guided meditation is not for me.
All right. So let's talk about Carla urban for a minute. Cause he's in this movie. This is pretty early Carl urban, right? Oh , no, 2011, but that brain's pretty established. Yeah. Cause it's yeah, but at this point star Trek's already come out. Lord of the rings it's already happened.
Which I think Lord of the rings, Carla urban is my favorite. Carla, urban. I don't know why, but I feel like he's more of a dirty blonde. That's gonna say it must have been the hair. Yeah. The hair, just like that. I was like that, that dudes, that dude's bad-ass but this version. Scott like an Eastwood vibe that a dig
Yeah. And that's another thing, speaking of the hat that
The characters who are, or were priests don't have names, don't have a yes. So that's another thing like , the life of the priest was just so singularly focused, which makes then being just turned out into the world that much.
Crueler. There's no mention of the member reclaiming their original names, they just priest, and he is no longer a priest. The priests had been clearing out a hive of vampires and they thought he was killed. He was actually turned into the first human vampire hybrid by the hive queen. And , he has various sexy, long black duster, black hat.
So his characters is referred to as black hat. And really wide set bangs, which is subtler and sexier at the same time, because you might not as I'm of the old school, sexy vampire school , that kind of nineties sexy vampire school of , Tom cruise interview with the vampire. And if you were really desperate forever night, really desperate.
So this is the aesthetic I'm here for. So then
What does true blood do for you?
it was on my list until such time as it became culturally irrelevant as so many things.
Gotcha. We'll do Stephen Moyer plays priests brother. And at the beginning of the movie, I was like vampire, but not vampire.
Not this time. No.
Nope. Hunter, this time. Yes. With the one layers I never saw.
Oh my gosh, Karl urban. I, you probably boycotted the movie because he's in it. , but it was a pretty slick a one-off I thought that was it. It wasn't
terrible. I just didn't watch it because I saw references to him constantly taking the helmet off and I knew that would have pissed.
Oh no. I thought in this one, he didn't take the helmet off. I thought that was a direct,
To to the Stallone version. I'm gonna have to go back. I think
it was, might've been like
One was middling anyway. Yeah. It was one of those, like if it was going to be on and I happened to catch it at the beginning, I'll watch it, but
I never, the gear and the remote control is more than three feet away.
He absolutely. Yeah. So it reminds me of not watching one division, but.
Did you watch Mandalorian? I was just
curious. Did you watch it just started it? We've had it in our possession for quite some time and I have difficulty making myself sit down and focus on a thing. Like my brain says we can't possibly watch our movie and then watch YouTube for three hours.
I'm working on it. I'm working on it. Okay.,
so these vampires, these were like, these were monsters
So what were the two-man vampire guys that were just hanging out above
ground? Ah, the familiars, yeah, the familiar groupies fam vampire groupies who are bound to the vampires.
And since these fan Pires like traditional vampires. Traditional Western vampires. Can't go out in the sun. They have these humans who, I don't know what the end game is for the familiars. GOTH kids. Yeah. Do they get
any special? They get any special features.
Yeah, either I'm forgetting something that they said offhandedly to try to close this pothole, or they really was a plot hole again.
. Because black hat is the first. Human vampire hybrid. It was completely unknown of until him. That's why I was confused. Yeah. What are those kids? What are they getting out of it? Yeah. Here at the studio. Let us know you can tag us on social media. They're
just, I think they're just protecting them, during the day when the sun's out.
Wouldn't that effectively
be getting them chicken blood.
Because all the only things that survived the apocalypse apparently were the humans, the vampires, and the Rhode Island red.
You got it. And they really like these goddamn motorcycles because they've spent so much time on the motorcycles, the aesthetic showered. Yeah.
It's it didn't know what it wanted to be because . The beginning seemed so manga ish with the animation and then it went into
blade runner territory. And then it's going into Western, or
steam punk because of the bikes, right?
Yeah. One thing that may have caused a lot of these problems is that it was directed by a stunt coordinator. Not that's a bad thing, but it was I think his first outing as a director. So he approached it as a stunt coordinator. Still the stunt sequences are falls out. Amazing. But then. Getting them tied together in the form of a film that gets a bit dicey.
And the the pacing is not good, cause it's not a short movie, but it seems to end just as it's getting going. Yeah. It's we're going to go do this thing and then it just ends on I was going to watch, can we do
Okay. We finally get Carla urban and we finally get Paul Bettany and they're on the train and they're fighting and then it blows up and he's gone and that's it.
Yeah. Yeah. Like he and the priestess. They're like, no, we have, now we have to go here and do this thing and then it just ends. Wait, we just finally got into the meat of this movie. Yeah.
They got to go find the queen. Hence the secret . But the
potential is, like you said, huge, like they could have really dived into what are these monsters?
Where did they come from? Why we, are they well-meaning, , is there they're just trying to
pirates of the Caribbean movie and we can't get a second priest. Yeah. Somebody, who loves it and recognizes its flaws and can fix them going forward. Exactly. We need a Ryan Reynolds for this movie, someone with clout and money and the motivation to see this film done.
then Ryan Reynolds, with this movie,
he doesn't have no, in terms of making the thing happen, like how Reynolds Deadpool happened,
right? Say he has it now. No, doesn't he have extra clout from Wanda vision.
I don't think he has the passion for this particular project that Reynolds had for Deadpool.
What we need is the passion, the money, the cloud, that combination. Okay. Because I'm sure he's got the money. Yeah. Things that I'm very unfamiliar with those things.
Plus, with Deadpool, you have this character, who's just like 90% charisma and.
Priest while I'm sure Paul Bettany could do something along those lines. That's just not who the character is. The character is, this tortured soul. And yeah,
I don't know
how, . , how much are people are going to be along for the ride on that one? Sure.
, comical antihero, always an easy sell.
Somber, freeze, like that as much. Yeah.
Let's go through some of these weapons. Cause some of these are pretty
Oh yeah. The D the props guys really excelled themselves with these. Every everything they
pulled out looks
amazing. But all, priests weapons also have the ecumenical purpose and then the weapons purpose.
So he's got a cross, but it's a dagger naturally. It's got a Bible that hides all these. Physics breaking. Sure. Can the rosary chain whip, which is what you were asking, what am I seeing earlier? So you could see the priest S use that in the big
sequence. Yeah. She turns a guy into stew meat and it just rains down.
She stands there in the superhero pose. I'm like, yeah, that's how you do it.
Could have used 30% more of that in this
film. , the weapons were very clever and the auto aim , how do you say
those were , those were cool. It reminded me a little bit of the , the whistlers and Mandalorian. Yeah, it's like a film that could have been more, you know what I
mean? It was very close to being good. And an editor probably could have hopped in here. No shade on the editor they had, but like an outside pair of eyes might have been able to hop in here and tighten this up.
It's like editing can absolutely make or break a film. You can take the same can of film stock and get five different movies out of it. If you know what you're doing, like for example, George Lucas doesn't know what he's doing when it comes to editing. And we only have star Wars in the whole franchise up through the Mandalorian and beyond because of , his wife , Marcia , a Lucas.
And of course the other two guys that got Oscars also for the editing , which was the only Oscar star Wars got was for editing because the text crawl lasted forever. There were these unnecessary characters, nothing happened at the right time. There were jokes where there weren't supposed to be jokes, Marcia rciaa and, and the other two guys fixed all of that.
It was her idea that Obi wan Kenobi should die. And after the divorce chores, Lucas basically tried to like headships at her and just strike her image off the stone. Wow. And that's why most people, yes, he's
see, was what saved episode four in the edit. .
You made it and you can read more about it on the, your brain on facts, book, order from bookshop.org to support your local bookseller your brain on facts.
So the book
is out right. And is
the well, the book came out last year. It actually took a little while to come to a meeting of the minds with my publisher about how to approach the audio book is all I will say
it should be obvious
about this audio book. Yeah.
I'm surprised you didn't publish it yourself. Do you
not? I would never have undertaken self publishing and bless the cotton socks of everyone who does, because that is such an OBS. 100% of promotion is on you 100% and I've spent too many years trying to sell stuff.
I'm doing. Burlesque both , performances and production and this podcast and everything. And no, I cannot possibly try and fail at selling anything else. It was only through the grace of , Emily Prokop from the story behind podcast. In connecting me with her publishing company with the one that published her book.
To say, after she and I split a hotel room at a podcasting conference And so if I had not had that introduction, I probably would never have written the book.
And now I'm really curious, do you produce your own podcasts? Do you edit your own podcasts?
Yeah, I do. I do 100% of the stuff because I am always doing it at the 11th hour.
Sometimes the 13th hour. I couldn't send it off to have it done. And I changed my mind about what I want and Oh, I could put a sound effect in here. Something like that. And I only know what I want as I'm doing it. So unfortunately can't outsource that cause I would be happy to pay someone to edit this.
You should give yourself some credit then because you have built
sort of a brand. Oh no. I give myself tons of credit for doing, cause it's fall to 20 hours of work each week. People think that I do turn on your mic and then put it out there and yes, some people do it that way, but if you're really trying to make a good product, like we all are.
It takes three times longer to edit than it does to record at a minimum. So next time you listen to a podcast about the amount of time.
So A different pair of eyes might've been able to. Really helped this movie because it slogs, it really could have moved a lot faster.
Yeah. And the rent times only what, like 90 minutes or seven minutes, something like that.
Yeah. Hour and a half seems like it lasts for, it feels a lot
longer. It feels a
little bit longer than that, but then it ends just as it's getting ramped up, I could have used more.
Train scene. I could have used more Karl urban doing his own thing, like going off, like maybe trying to find more of these hybrid human vampire, things like that.
I could have used more lore. . It's weird. It's like the opposite of what you probably normally would add on a movie. Like they just went, okay. Let's just do all action sequences,
it feels like a conscious effort to really start. In the middle or middle to end of what, where things are creating this new beginning , it's like, Hey, this is the world.
As it has been, these are the things that have happened and we're taking it from this point and don't worry about all that other stuff.
And then, yeah, the priesthood thing, they, how do the priest not go after a priest? Am I making any sense? The church. Or what have you not go after priests?
Like he gets out every time, but they don't, that could have been a cool action sequence, but just cut to him, riding on a motorcycle, like there's so many. Just like little in consistencies and things that could have done with that side of things, like shown, like why they feel this way or why they've decided to take this point of view.
Are they corrupted by the vampires themselves? Like they could have went all kinds of weird ways with it. And instead it's just Oh, we're just the bad
guys, yeah. The world building has great potential. It's just been in places. Yeah. Lots of places. , but yeah, cause otherwise you wouldn't be so hungry for all that extra lore and backstory and we're left wondering about the world.
The movie is set in for the wrong reasons. You
know what we're wondering? We're wondering what's in the book is fun. We're wondering maybe it'll sell more copies of the comic. You know what I mean? The graphic novel.
Not at this point, it probably did whatever good it was going to do.
That's what I mean, it probably boosts
sales, DVD release of the movie was PG 13, so that didn't help. If you want the proper full version, you have to get the blue room,
right? Yeah, no, I watched the full Gore version.
Speaking of full
Gore on the prime,
this is totally unrelated related.
I'm just now getting into DaVinci's demons on
stars. Have you seen this? Oh my gosh. It's incredible.
It's incredibly deep storytelling and it's blowing me away, but it is also full Gore and it's I have a little bit of an aversion to full Gore. I just have to like, not look when people's heads are getting smashed and things.
But , , it's some pretty genius storytelling. It's like very scientific fact-based with a little bit of other worldly spiritual
type. Yeah, that sounds pretty good. And when you say full Gore, do you mean like the Spartacus series level of blood or what? What's the
We're talking probably closer to game of Thrones. It's just like, why is that shots so close? You know what I mean? Like the bashing someone's head in type shot. It's just it could be a little farther away. You don't have to zoom in on that,
ah, that sounds more like Spartacus. Actually, they do it more than
once or twice.
It's a few times. Yeah. But not every episode, it's not like every episode is Gore all the time. It's just based on the story. It's just as the story goes along, but then it's just eyeballs smashed, things like that. Yeah. Maybe Spartacus, maybe Sparta. Cause I haven't watched
that in a while.
I should have said that was such a good show.
Oh yeah. Oh God. I feel so bad for a Andia what's his name? Oh my gosh. What a tragedy?
What a tragedy. Yeah, it was all the two shows I was watching at the time were Spartacus and Dexter. And the lead actors from both show had cancer at the same time.
There's one, at least thankfully survived. Yeah, of course. And you look at seasons five through seven of Dexter and you think
is this on the top? And then the back
and then bringing it back. To anyone who's never seen Dexter and wants to finally watch it, please. If you never listened to anything else I ever tell you, stop after the Trinity killer, you want to end it right there.
You will be walking around in a daze thinking about that season finale for a week. I promise you, and if you continue on past that, my God have mercy on your soul.
for the experience.
I imagine that's, whatever story is coming has been brewing. And I imagine they're wanting to bring back some of the original vibe of the show. So I'll go to another watch. But if who knows,
I don't know. I feel like
these not garbage. Let's bring it back after a couple of years. Oh, I don't know.
It's a real opportunity to swing and
miss. And it's energies that could be put into something, original, fundamental ideas.
We don't want people to
We all want people to have the same ideas. That's the problem.
Yeah. We knew we got blood from this stone last time. Let's give it another squeeze.
Can we talk about my favorite
Paul Bettany role please?
code. My goodness. What a movie was he? The movie was fine also the priest, but was he also, he was a, he was more of a monk
kind of guy again,
kind of a deal. The albino. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my gosh.
Yeah, certainly he was excellent in it. I just, I walked through the room when it was on that's about how much of it I saw.
we're talking about, and I didn't read the book, so I can't tie it to that, but it was one of those I was working at bookstore at the time. So it was one of those everybody comes in and they're like,
where's the DaVinci code. , I, I had that, not for me, a thing going on, but then I ended up reading angels and demons later on , on a plane.
Because I needed a book for the plane and, but no, I, you know what, so then when I watched the movie, I was like, all right, Tom Hanks, America's dad, everybody loves him. Let's see what's going on here. And Paul Bettany man, he brought it. He just hit that punch clock and went to work. That did.
that was great. It was solid performance. Had there's a moment spoiler alert, where he gets killed by the priest. Who's been running him throughout the whole movie and by accident. But that moment where it's just like the look in his eyes. Oh gosh, him and Alford Malayna that there was a.
That was a great scene. Great. Yeah,
those books really went conspiracy theory before conspiracy theory was like a thing, but skirted it a little bit, , in the books, I think that's what made it so like intriguing and thought provoking the books. There was like the popcorn version of conspiracy ,
think hit like wildfire, man.
Yeah. It was a big deal. I remember getting those books , as well.
He did Tom Hanks,
his hair. It didn't look good.
Nope. It was very, melody was very Richard Marx circa 1989.
Oh , no. Richard Marks his hair. Didn't look that bad. Oh.
Never stops him from excluding all the audience members under 35.
We don't have any
it's our mothers , and .
been doing theater for awhile, obviously. Am I wrong? Yeah,
I did burlesque for seven years. Seven years. Yeah. Now I'm curious. Good time
for anything curious. Did you do this before, after you were married
I happened to find a burlesque at the same time that my first marriage was in its tailspin. It was like, we're like, clearly we are working our way toward the requisite amount of time living apart to legally get divorced. I see. And which was the same time I found out that burlesque was still a thing.
It didn't enter into it, but there is no causative relationship there. I see the second husband is also a burlesque performer. Okay. Yeah, because we met at yeah. He performs under the name. Dante the Inferno Moxie is my burlesque name. The only person lucky enough to be named Moxie is pendulum pendula it's daughter.
So you got Moxie, Lucian, Dante, the infant. Did a Jamie and CRC duet that I would do 50 more times because it's the best thing I ever put on state. And so obviously he's okay. That is
I'm so happy as a popular burlesque stripping, as opposed to clubs, stripping where the money is that the burlesque shows are much more about empowerment and girl power.
And. The audiences tend to be two thirds, female, because it's yeah. My wife is
very intrigued with burlesque. What is the movie it's probably not accurate. The one that Christine Aguilar was, she's a burlesque dancer.
Burlesque. Oh yeah. The movie is called. She was completely, intrigued.
Yes. Yes. There was a rapid influx of Housewives in the burlesque classes after that movie , came out. But And some of them still stuck around and I, are doing it to this day, but the movie didn't give necessarily a very accurate perception of what's going on with modern burlesque. And if you're like, Oh , I wish I could go out and see a show, but we can't.
Some of those shows are happening online. They're streaming the shows, look through Facebook events, find a local show. It doesn't have to be local anymore. Cause you can watch from anywhere in the world and support people who are trying to keep their art. Alive, because if you don't think the arts are important, then what are you doing?
Listening to a pop culture podcast? Because all of this is art from
my point of the last year has taught us anything. Burlesque seems a lot more like theater to me than, stripping for
money, trickle bitches. Yeah, it is. Yeah.
Yeah. It also has a bit of circus too. I feel like there's some circuits getting in flux.
Yeah. Oh, there's absolutely sideshow. And , I've we've, I've had gymnast's , all kinds of basically burlesque and variety tend to go together in one breath. And since variety can encompass, everything I at my shows have included everything from , swing dancers to contortionists, to a flea circus.
The Fire performers. If you can find a venue, you can do that in, and then of course you have people who have , they're blessed performers who have stripped in clubs. You can always tell them by the moves they've got, you can tell the women who've been dance, ballet, dancing since they were three, because they actually know what they're doing.
And then the rest of us who just saw this wonderful thing and. Latched onto it, like lichen, couldn't be shaken off costumes
that the set pieces, it is, it's a real performance. It's not it's not what it, I dunno. Maybe some
people think it is, yeah. Cause it's the entertainment is the primary purpose.
If you happen to get excited during the show, that's fine. But you keep that shit to yourself. We all know, we almost in your pants, we just don't talk about it.
Don't make it weird.
Yeah. Don't make it weird too. . It's a great rule. It's like a rule,
Ben does a bunch of, or used to do a bunch of improv,
former theater kids, we went to a performing arts high school. Jacob was a musical theater major. Yeah. I was
singing, dancing type.
Believe it or not, which is hard to believe, I don't know. .
Yeah. I did. It did improv and stand up for a bit and a good on you stand up comics or she has a heart. She is a harsh mistress. I'm curious. I would much rather. So you did, you
did stand up comedy.
No, I did it. I did it off and on for a year and a half.
And Ben has mentioned like how hard it is and how a joke can just go the wrong way or be seen the wrong way,
yes. Or just, just being seen as not funny, which is the one you dread the most and like you wrote it and you thought it was the cleverest thing, the best thing you're ever going to do, and you take it to the open mic night and please just that one cough in the back.
It just crickets. And you're like, no, Everything I am hinges on this joke.
I love your vocal
booth. The so cool. These are the guest mattresses from the guest room and we have the obligatory , you haul packing blankets all around.
It seems to me like it's working really well, but can I ask what kind of microphone that is?
This one is the road NT one a , was advised to get a road end T1. But the one eight by mistake, apparently it's less nice to female voices, but , they all making it
work. Yeah, that sounds great. It's a little more powerful. Being the audio engineer type. I know that it's a little more se from what I remember.
NC Cibola. Yes. Yes. Yeah. I definitely, my assets are really hard to manage on this. You seem to
be doing an amazing job and yeah,
this is a different sort of performance than when I'm recording for the podcast or on an audio book. So show health is getting me through a lot right now.
Then I know Ben is looking at trying to figure out a microphone for him himself over there.
Yeah. I'm rocking this USB snowball here. It does its job.
It does its job. You don't sound bad. It's not picking up the room too much. Oh, I
picked up a room.
I said too much. I qualified it.
My husband has to listen when we're watching YouTube is our TV basically. And so when we're watching videos, any problem with the sound. He's got to hear me complain about it because it's wait a minute, he's changed Mike's or this was a different recording session.
Or just you need a wind screen can I'm sure he wants me just to shut the fuck up about that. It's wait, he's really nasal all of a sudden what happened? Just watch the damn video, a woman, someone's got a
lapel mic and then in one scene, and then the next scene is the camera. And it's
Or they touch their clothes.
Yeah. It's just , don't, , you've been doing this YouTube channel for three years, not to touch your mic.
So you have the podcast and how many have you been on a bunch of other podcasts
as well? Yeah, cause I weaseled my way onto a lot of them , for the launch of the book.
So I did about 50 shows , last summer when I've been on a few dozen. Other than that, cause I'm constantly wanting to. To talk to new people and it exposes, maybe your audience and new to my audience and everybody benefits. That's wonderful. How
so did your publisher like help you find the podcast people or was it like a website or a way ,
how did you find , there's lots of different ways to do it.
There was someone from the publisher assigned to help me with that. So there are sites like pod it, which I think is spelled with two DS. There are Facebook groups like , podcasts, collaborators. I think it's called.
If you just search for a Facebook group with podcast guests, you'll find , a number of different groups. And then of course, if you look in your groups there for your region, so there's a Facebook group for podcasters in my city. And so I trade with those people and it, what I have found works best.
Though it's tricky , is to do a guest exchange. People are much more open to that than being like, Hey, can I come on your show and talk to this audience? You've worked really hard for hundreds of thousands of hours to build. Would you be like, Hey, do you want to come on my show? And I come on your show with my show gets different because I'm a single host scripted show.
So people have to record a segment. They actually have to do a little bit of what I do, which is the research writing. And I basically toss over to them like a. Thank or tossing to a reporter and then coming back again. So not everybody's down for doing that. Yeah.
There's also a service or a site called Aubrey. Just like the girl's name. Their UI is terrible. I'm sure you'll meet lovely people on there, but I don't find the navigation to be intuitive in the functionality could, could be improved.
Of course, I haven't checked it in six months. It's the internet. It could be completely different in six months. Yeah. I
typed in Aubrey podcast and it's just a bunch of other people's podcasts.
Oh dear. Oh, maybe it was Audrey with a D I don't know. It's out there somewhere. Audrey. It could be at if it were well, if it were a better site, I would have remembered Tyson.
yes, they do. D R Y no. It's okay. It's
yeah. I was just curious what the girl's name.
So when it comes to two ads, it takes a lot of exposures before people are moved to action. So definitely guest exchange is really good that way.
Cause you. You get this long exposure for the listener, for them to become more interested in you, it , does those multiple exposures at once for you that, and , unlike ads, it's free. That's another reason I really liked doing podcast exchange.
, it's fun. It's been really a pleasure, talking to you, your voice. Like I'm hypnotized. Like every time you speak, every time you speak it's
Let me know if you ever want to do a new intro for your podcast.
And now it's time when we answer the question, is this entertainment with your host, Jacob and Ben. Amazing.
Absolutely amazing. It's so
impressive. If you want one, just send me some script on there. You just did it. Yeah. Thank you. Okay.
Like I said before we started, my mom had been in the radio in the sixties and seventies.
So all six of her daughters can immediately drop into their radio voice. And so just writing ad copy off the top of my head, as long as it's for someone else's business is easy when it comes to marketing my own stuff. Just a whistling desert, plain,
get in your head about it. No, I get
that. No ideas for myself, but for everybody else.
So I know exactly what everybody is.
Yeah. Yeah. My great idea was we should put our heads in boxes that squiggle. I was that
that's all I got. Hey, it worked for Dr. Katz cartoon therapist. It
another deep cut for you guys there. I don't remember
that. That was a
Yeah. And it was good. Yeah. Yeah. Can we talk about,
let's do it. Let's do a final run on priests here. Let's do a little
final thoughts. Finish this thing. Finished.
Final thoughts on priest. Is much potential. Is
this a good movie?
Yes or no? On the whole, yes. She's not taking home any awards, but we'll definitely, we'll give her miss congeniality.
The potential evidence in this is intense. It just wasn't quite realized. Unfortunately. And I think maybe if you just watch it with your finger hovering over the fast forward to get through all the long drawn out shots of the goddamn motorcycles, mini bikes, there they are bitching bikes. I saw them already.
Thanks. A lot of footage. They must have really had to get their money's worth out of them. Cause I know the priests bike is made out of three different motorcycles and then some other shit. So maybe the pacing will feel better if you just fast forward through the gratuitous motorcycle porn, it's too bad.
can't do Netflix in two acts
two X speed, it used to be, there was a time when you could do
that on that you could, I had just said porn, and then you just said more than the usual number of X. So my brain having not crawled very far out of its gutter. I was thinking there was some kind of setting on Netflix. I was not familiar with and wanted to investigate the triple X
button is missing from Netflix.
Netflix after dark
after dark can be anytime
Paul Bettany can carry a movie though. That's what we learned. I think from this film, very, the whole thing.
I think Karl urban and Maggie Q share some of the weight there,
but he can lift more than his own body weight. Yes.
For sure. Yes. If this movie was on, if this movie was on a Showtime and HBO or even a TBS, if it was on TBS and I'm scrolling,
I could leave it there.
would answer the question. Okay. Now TBS may have changed in the years since I turned off the cable, but , there used to be that late night, especially on the weekend programming block, where you could reliably expect to watch Beastmaster maximum overdrive, that caliber of film.
So if priest aired on TBS, now this is how you're going to give you a grade for this movie. Okay. If priest aired on TBS, would it be prime time? Or after midnight, can I say treat it like a proper movie or would it be treated like Beastmaster? I feel like it would be like 10 o'clock. She has a perfect 10 o'clock movie.
I definitely see it as a, like a Saturday at 5:00 PM movie. You don't want to give your seven o'clock spot to it, but I don't see it as a midnight.
Really cause who's going to, who's sitting down at five o'clock to watch a movie.
That's why I think it's more of a filler.
It's , we got priests laying around. Maybe somebody stops. That's great. We'll get some, whatever, but we're not going to give it the 7:00 PM. Cause we got to get Batman versus Superman for the thousandth time. And then our midnight is for our big bang theory, reruns that go from midnight to 5:00 AM.
And then yeah, I
thought I would've missed maximum overdrive. Yes. Yeah.
Talk about that movie.
Fun fact about maximum overdrive. And if you haven't watched it do , it is the only movie based on a Stephen King book that was directed by Stephen King. Oh, that's not the fact yet. That's a fact, that's a fact.
Yeah. He was doing so much cocaine at the time. He has no independent memory of having directed a feature length.
film Oh, that is, that
is great. . If we can go back and watch it come alive movie, then you know, if
you go back and watch it now, you'll be like, obviously cocaine. Yes. Yeah. Now it all makes sense. . Did
Emilio think that was the movie that was gonna just take him to the next
Sometimes you just, you just need the paycheck. I feel like
that movie and a free Jack for him are like the two, just what were you thinking
for hood Free Jack for when you thought Johnny mnemonic was too cerebral
we got Mick Jagger and we got Emelio and race cars. Sign us
up. Yeah, there was absolutely Peruvian marching powder.
No. What happened to young guns? Emilio? Where did that guy go? Like I wanted to see what I believe it's called linear time
and then his brother just chat the bed all over, for the whole world to see. And.
You got all that two and a half men money, but your soul is crushed for having to do it that way. And then, ah, crazy.
tiger blood. I got tiger blood.
Yeah. Meltdown Charlie sheen was how I , when we first started watching Archer, I described it as if meltdown Charlie sheen was James Bond.
And I, I haven't heard anyone come up with a more accurate description yet. I don't think there is one. I love that show, even when it sucks, which it often does lately. It's one
of those, I swear, I've never watched it like beginning to end. I just pop in on an episode and this is fun. And then go on about
That's a fair approach to it too.
I feel like it's always sunny, also lives in that space.
Winning. That's his quote. .
One of us said it out loud.
I'm extra slow today for some reason. Excuse me.
Maybe it's been long enough. We can bring it back and it's retro that's right? Yeah, we can take it back. Wedding. There you go. , you go ahead, sweetie. You go ahead and reclaim the word winning. It's one thing I'm mad about not going to get political the past four years is so purlative bragging has now been ruined you.
Can't just be like, Oh no, I am the best at making lasagna. I make the best lasagna, the best step. You can't even say that anymore. It's been ruined all of my groundless boasts, please,
please explain. Please explain. I'm dumb. I don't understand.
I'll tell you later, bud. I'll tell you later, I'll fill you
I'm having a technical difficulty. My screen should just go blankets, have the bars and the
beeping cartoon of a little guy in an old timey studio, a studio camera with film falling out the side of it. Yeah. Technical difficulties please. Standby.
That was very accurate. Wow.
And let women do announcements on TV in the fifties. So fantastic. We're sixties, first half of the
What were you saying, ben?
what was you? What, when I asked, is priest a good movie? You immediately said , no,
No, but I have basically the same conclusion is that it could have been great.
It could have been great it's the setup was so good. I was so into it. When I saw that animatic at the beginning, I was freaking out. I was like, what is this going to be? And how have I never seen this movie before? That's exactly what I was thinking. And then it just just slowly let me down. And then it just became about a kidnapping and action sequences.
And , like you said, motorcycles
and Yeah. And it's a lot of tropes with the settlers and the rebellious teenager. And there's no way that bitch is wearing white. And this is not about her moral character. It was really dusty out there. There's no way those people, there's no way those people own white clothes that they just go out and wear on a day.
the very first motorcycle scene, the very first motor motorcycle scene when Paul Bettany , arrives in that, in the town and he gets off his bike and he's not completely covered in dust. I was like, I'm out of it. I can't like, come on, man. You're way too clean for the amount of skin from
Yeah. You would take those goggles off and have just like dirt everywhere and then clean raccoon eyes. Yeah.
That was however, not my biggest, that's not even my top 10 complaints on the film, the star doesn't actually get dirty. We could say that about a lot of movies.
There's something about this isn't a period piece, but you have those westerns where everybody's just really clean.
Or yeah, just the. I don't know. It's one of those things that takes me out of movies where the characters like you'd know that there's no way that they're dragging on his
clothes in that environment.
Nobody's living in that they're way too clean. There you go.
All right. I think we should wrap it up.
Am I jumping the gun? Yeah. I feel like we've gotten a lot off our chests. Yeah. Yes.
Yes. I just wanted to say thank you Moxie for coming on here. This is for
having me on your show. Yeah. Thank you. This has
been a lot of fun. Yeah, we really appreciate you.
Is there anything you'd like to hear in my NPR voice before I go?
You said you didn't want to get political, but if you want it to go nuts,
we don't need to do
no, we don't need to ruin everybody's
smoking day. Why would we
invite that into our lives? Still savoring the fact that it no longer feels like the news is stalking me.
Which is how I felt for the last four years
to have a day to relax, no
nothing has exploded today, literally or metaphorically. Yeah. And nobody's
said anything. Super crazy spit chill. Man.
So you see that Twitter Reddit this morning? No, neither did I, cause it didn't fucking happen.
What's a good thing to hear in an and PR voice.
Oh my goodness. I'm blanking.
If you'd I could just close with a string of profanity.
Love it. Love
it. Twat waffle pussy, blood fart, count nugget.
All right. I feel like you just had those loaded in.
Yeah. My default setting is drunken. Sailor is pocket. We know that's actually not true because , yeah, content warning.
Oops, sorry. A little late. No, we don't even say that. I swear like a sailor because I married a sailor and he cannot keep up with me. You must have so much fun all the time. , again, I just told you the really cool things that happened to me. So you heard four good anecdotes from a 41 year lifespan.
There is like in this movie, a lot of dull shit to fill in the interim. And I think that about status.
If I ever heard
one that's great.
So priest is a lot like life. There are some interesting moments, but then it's really boring in the middle.
Thank you so much. Thank you so much. I really appreciate you.
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and stuff. It's all thought out.
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